"practical lawful dissent" fmotl advisory group

[littleFred]

Of course, there is nothing to prevent them creating their own pub back-room "common law courts", running under whatever rules they want. And the two sides to a dispute might agree to be bound by the decisions of the court.

I think they haven't bothered because they know it is pointless. They know they can't compel anyone to submit to their pretend court, nor could they enforce any decisions.

They know that "common law courts" could only work if legislation is passed to make them work. And that ain't gonna happen.

[exiledscouser]

I have to disagree slightly. It depends on whether there are sufficient members of a particular group and whether those members voluntarily agree to submit to the rulings of their own internal tribunal. So for instance Sharia courts do operate in the margins of British society and their edicts seem to be obeyed by their "flock".

Of course there are probably other factors in play as to the level of compunction within religious courts but in theory, the PLD crew could hold one-another to account, carry out quasi-legal proceedings in the back room at the Crown & Anchor and dish out their punishment.

All this fails because, curiously enough, no one in mainstream life* would "consent" to be bound by the rulings of a parallel court.

"I don't consent!" you would cry - and you'd be on your way.

* aka the real world.

[notorial dissent]

I think you're giving them way too much credit, setting up even a pretend court takes effort and cooperation, and planning, and well actual thought come to it. All things this group is woefully short to non-existent of. As well as agreement amongst themselves.

[littleFred]

So for instance Sharia courts do operate in the margins of British society and their edicts seem to be obeyed by their "flock".

Yes, indeed. Sharia courts work in the UK when (and if) the parties agree for them to work. Much like mainstream arbitration schemes. Provided they don't do anything against UK law, there's no problem.

There may be social pressure for parties to agree to participate. But UK police won't arrest Sharia defendants for not attending. And attempted arrests by a "Sharia police force" would be deemed kidnap under UK law.

There have been calls by SovCits to create "common law police", who would do what SovCits tell them to do. But they would face the same issues: with no statutory powers, they would have no more power than the rest of us.

And I agree with notorial dissent: as shown by the short-lived enthusiasm for Grand Juries a couple of years ago, it's too much like hard work.

[longdog]

I think you're giving them way too much credit, setting up even a pretend court takes effort and cooperation, and planning, and well actual thought come to it. All things this group is woefully short to non-existent of. As well as agreement amongst themselves.

You forgot phone credit

[SteveUK]

Come on you cynics, let's celebrate the wins if the small independent , family run courts. Not Bash them!

Of course Cocoa Interspace bankrupted IDS, Anna Von reich despenses justuce eveywhere, the grand jury nullified toms verdict, and of course , there's the 2000 branches of Denny's.

I say we need more independent boutique law courts on our high streets.

[notorial dissent]

I think you're giving them way too much credit, setting up even a pretend court takes effort and cooperation, and planning, and well actual thought come to it. All things this group is woefully short to non-existent of. As well as agreement amongst themselves.

You forgot phone credit

That too, also, as well as the cost of a meal at your local equivalent of a Denny's. Roadblocks to true common law justice, alla time roadblocks.

[JimUk1]

I think you're giving them way too much credit, setting up even a pretend court takes effort and cooperation, and planning, and well actual thought come to it. All things this group is woefully short to non-existent of. As well as agreement amongst themselves.

You forgot phone credit

That too, also, as well as the cost of a meal at your local equivalent of a Denny's. Roadblocks to true common law justice, alla time roadblocks.

I suppose the equivalent would be the Weatherspoons pub (notorious for cheap beers and in some instances unpleasant characters) Forgive me for saying it but every time I go in there's a lot of "putting the world to right" talks.

If only Dave could get that claim against Dwp, he may be able to call his mate to go for a beer finally?

[exiledscouser]

Weatherspoons is a mixed bag. Some are dire; their clientele worse. Round our way a disorderly queue forms outside about 9.00am for a cheap breakfast and a pint or several. The one in Leeds railway station is full of piss-heads 24/7.

But...

Brighouse Weatherspoons is in an old Wesleyan chapel with a mezzanine floor running round 3/4 of the place and an old organ at one end Captain Nemo would have snapped up for his Nautilus. With some superb locally sourced pale ales Barnaby would move in and forsake the Pacific coast forever.

[SteveUK]

I kid you not - Judge Rinder is now being considered as a viable alternative. (Americans , he's a Brit Judge Judy)

However , I also suggested to this guy he try cocoa Interspace , and he didn't realise I was taking the piss.

[rosy]

Of course there is one teensy little problemette in getting Judge Rinder involved. Unlike Judge Judy who is actually a judge, Robert Rinder is really a barrister; he only plays a judge on TV.

I occasionally catch a bit of his show and he wouldn't tolerate the "awful rebellenders" for a second, even if ITV were foolish enough to put them on the show. He'd use his "I can smell a liar like a fart in a lift" catchphrase and kick them out.

[SteveUK]

Of course there is one teensy little problemette in getting Judge Rinder involved. Unlike Judge Judy who is actually a judge, Robert Rinder is really a barrister; he only plays a judge on TV.

I occasionally catch a bit of his show and he wouldn't tolerate the "awful rebellenders" for a second, even if ITV were foolish enough to put them on the show. He'd use his "I can smell a liar like a fart in a lift" catchphrase and kick them out.

There's a great sitcom in the making here !

[Hercule Parrot]

I have to disagree slightly. It depends on whether there are sufficient members of a particular group and whether those members voluntarily agree to submit to the rulings of their own internal tribunal. So for instance Sharia courts do operate in the margins of British society and their edicts seem to be obeyed by their "flock".

And the Jewish Beth Din court, of course. But as you rightly​ say, these are essentially ADR processes requiring the consent of all parties.

If the Lorfull Reblyion crowd want to set up a "court" on that basis, they can do so. Sadly the losing party would inevitably refuse to comply with the adjudication, because their membership is so drawn from the shabby, dishonest end of the moral spectrum.

[Gregg]

In the USA there is a somewhat lively "Common Law" court system set up in places all over, with their own "Marshals" "Judges" and internet based quasi-governments. Google the Continental Marshals, Republic for the united States and half a dozen others. A big contingent of them are currently guests of the State of Colorado for taking the pretend CosPlay justice system a little too seriously, and at least one case of 4 pretend Marshals showing up at a jail where some of their fake judicial officials were awaiting transport to a state the fled to avoid sentence in a real court and presenting real police with fake "orders" to release their friends. That didn't end well, as you can guess. There's a pretty extensive reading list on The Fogbow for those interested in seeing how setting up your own courts works.

a little teaser
http://thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=9641

[rumpelstilzchen]

David- "I've got no phone credit" - Robinson has announced that he is taking a break because he has no internet apart from when he is in the pub.....which is where he is now.....

[Comrade Sharik]

in less than a couple of years we will all be zombified as the aluminium being sprayed into the sky daily creates altziemers in our brains...

Grid knows what the level of IQ among the PLD crew will be reduced to then!

Joking apart, it's interesting how certain conspiracy memes spread to groups like PLD.

[Colin123]

Looks like their internet service has run out along with their phone credit lol

[NYGman]

Looks like their internet service has run out along with their phone credit lol

Translation:

Paragraph 1: I am broke, I don't have a job, I have no income outside state aid I collect, and that just isn't enough to cover things that most of the working public take for granted like phones and internet. However, I must be important, because I am getting all these emails, PMs and Phone calls, which really stroke my ego, and make me feel like I am Leading something and am important, when in reality I am far from that. I will also note, I would rather spend a few quid on a pint than add credit to my phone, Priorities

Paragraph 2: Baron Craigmyle has no clue what Article 61 is all about, despite him being one of the Barons who invoked it years ago. While it is this invocation of A61 that has lent credence to this crazy idea, the fact that one of the participants doesn't know much about the law, shouldn't put anyone off, even though it was the work of these Barons that is the foundation for this position, their knowledge of the law doesn't matter. Besides, outside this group, no one knows the correct law, and the power of A61.

P3: So I am out of dumb ideas, nothing is really working, while I claim to have had successes under A61, strangely no one else has succeeded. However, we know why, it isn't A61 that fails to work, it is the whole legal system that is criminal and just ignores this valid legal position. Just ask Ollie, who was successful in asserting his A61 rights, only for the courts to ignore this, and that isn't our fault. However, we need to continue to try and assert our rights, or we will lose them. At this point I must mention that the government is spaying us with aluminum and it will turn us into Zombies. As sure as A61 will protect us fro the corrupt legal system, Selenium will protect you from becoming a zombie due to the aluminum spray.

p4: I am broke, and fed up of people contacting me to complain about A61, when they have obviously either done it wrong, or have been blocked by the corrupt legal system. I can't continue to waste internet credit blocking people, censoring posts, and spewing my wisdom, when that credit could be better used for Porn. I will be back after the current wave of failures have blown over, to point out why it they failed (They did it wrong) and suggest new ideas, after the current batch of followers have disappeared, and new mugs have filled the ranks. Looking forward to starting this all again, with a new batch of idiots.

[JimUk1]

Looks like their internet service has run out along with their phone credit lol

Basically the great leader is diving for cover.

With there latest success stories of the Barons telling them to F off, Davids slowly starting to back away and close the door.

Keeping over-arching admin authority but letting the hardcore morons provide the rope, he's doing a bit of a Ceylon.

I think PLD has maybe run its course, very quickly!

[He Who Knows]

Aw. I'm gonna miss David - I've run out of phone credit and internet service - Robinson. Even if it's just for a few weeks whilst the fresher freetards are being hatched...