von Nuthouse raided

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There's no one named Ada Roper at that CPA firm?

Or Ada Loper.

Perhaps she's moved on to greener pastures.

[grixit]

Wake up and smell the jackboots.

I believe that popular pornstar Liberty Tool has a movie with that title.

[Joey Smith]

I have a theory - there was little if any actual gold and silver to back up the gold and silver medallions and certificates, possibly none. This means that up to this point, NotHaus was running a scam, a fraud.

Now, he can get away with it by claiming "da ebil gummint" swiped his millions in precious metals, which means any paper certificates he sold have no backing and the money he made off of selling the certificates he gets to keep and he can quietly go out of business having fleeced people too stupid to realize that it was a scam, becuase they would rather believe some clown had millions in gold and silver seized by the government than the likely truth that it was all a fraud.

That was my first thought as well. This has all the hallmarks of an imploding HYIP deal where the promoters claim that it is the ebil gubermint that is keeping all the investors from being paid $100,000 for ever $10 invested, and not of course that the whole deal was a sham from the get-go.

Paytriots scamming the masses with a bogus currency deal backed by nothing. Naaaaauuuggggghhhhh.

[grixit]

Cpt Banjo wrote:

I read that case in law school, too -- in the casebook we used, it appeared right before Time, Inc. v. Hill, the "Desperate Hours" case that Nixon argued (and lost) before the Supreme Court.

I don't read many "right to privacy" (what a misnomer) cases myself; I rely on our firm's intellectual property gurus down the hall who keep up with that stuff.

I'm extremely rusty on this stuff. And there is both "right of privacy" and "right of publicity." I don't remember the elements of each cause of action.

Well the Fallwell vs Flint case is also a precedent. Not Haus could claim that the coins represented a form of parody.

[grixit]

Von Nuthouse was given more than ample warning, the Treas and Mint warnings were perfectly clear and unambiguous and he chose to disregard them, and in fact flaunted them.

Um, that's flouted the warnings, and flaunted the flouting.

[grixit]

Who the hell is this CPA who goes in and does an "audit" of the entire operation? I can't believe any practitioner in their right mind would sign such a thing - the report states that they inspected 100% of the program and found no errors. Any CPA who isn't a moron is sure to qualify anything that they audit with an opinion containing terms like "reasonable assurance," "test basis," and "material misstatement." Signing something like that is a great way to open yourself up for a lawsuit later. Hope their insurance premiums are current.

Um, the most that a CPA can legally certify is the paperwork. Even if they physically inventory chunks of metal, they can't vouch for the content.

[notorial dissent]

Oh well, one work of fiction to go along with another. What's a fictional CPA here or there.

[BBFlatt]

Interestingly, the Idaho Board of Accountancy does indicate there is a licensed CPA by that name int he state:

Licensee Name Number Effective Expires/Expired Status License Disciplinary
LOPER, ADA MARIE CP-2754 03/21/1991 06/30/2008 Active CPA No

http://isba.idaho.gov/HTM/namesearch.cfm

[BBFlatt]

The most recent "audit report" was signed by the firm "Anderson Brothers" and lists their internet address as http://www.andbroscpas.com

From their website:

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[LPC]

There's no one named Ada Roper at that CPA firm???

http://www.camcpa.com/contact.html

But there is someone named Dana Robson, whose name appears on the 2006 "audit."

I wonder if she'd like to answer questions about (a) whether she really signed that silly piece of paper and (b) what she was thinking when she did.

Because I agree with what others have said about the role of CPAs and the purposes of audits, and there is simply no way that a CPA is his/her right mind would agree that "all facets" of an operation had been audited, that gold or silver was ".9999 fine," or that the metal was "stored properly."

[Nikki]

Even IF there was an audit, in the sense of examining the metal at the repository, did each of the chunks have "Property of NutHouse" engraved on it?

How is a CPA going to determine that the precious metal is at all different from shares of stock in Springtime For Hitler?

[Imalawman]

There's no one named Ada Roper at that CPA firm???

http://www.camcpa.com/contact.html

The last audit done in July, 2007, was performed by Anderson Bros. CPAs P.A. - check out this website http://www.andbroscpa.com/index.html

Oh yeah, I believe that. Also the audit letter is signed "Anderson Bros." as a signature.

[Nikki]

Oh yeah, I believe that. Also the audit letter is signed "Anderson Bros." as a signature. What the hell?

It's standard for a CPA firm to sign audit statements in the name of the firm.

Check the audit statement supplied with the annual report of any of the major US Corporations.

[Imalawman]

Oh yeah, I believe that. Also the audit letter is signed "Anderson Bros." as a signature. What the hell?

It's standard for a CPA firm to sign audit statements in the name of the firm.

Check the audit statement supplied with the annual report of any of the major US Corporations.

Ah, thanks. Now that I think of it, I do remember that from my days as an accounting major. hehe

[Demosthenes]

Search and Seizure warrants here:

http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raid.htm

[buck09]

Federal officials reportedly raided the group's headquarters, located in a strip mall at 225 N. Stockwell Road

A strip mall. The metals backing the world's greatest currency were stored in a strip mall.

W.T.F.

Think he had an actual bank vault or did he buy a bunch of gun safes?

[Imalawman]

Federal officials reportedly raided the group's headquarters, located in a strip mall at 225 N. Stockwell Road

A strip mall. The metals backing the world's greatest currency were stored in a strip mall.

W.T.F.

Think he had an actual bank vault or did he buy a bunch of gun safes?

It is my understanding that the precious metals were located elsewhere. This was only the search related to the headquarters for information purposes - not for gold, etc.

[LPC]

Search and Seizure warrants here:

http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/raid.htm

Both the search warrant and the seizure order refer to the Evansville IN offices. Anyone yet seen search and seizure warrants for the mint in Idaho where the gold and silver is "properly stored."

[Trippy]

And, of course, he's now begging for money for his legal battles.

Winning will require good, dedicated legal support and your support. First, if you are angry and resent the government's assault on your right to own and use gold as you please then call the agents and express your displeasure of their actions in a polite way. Don't kill the messenger, just tell them they are wrong. Add your voice to this movement.

Second: If you are owed an order and want to get your money back or have paper certificates or digital Liberty Dollars, I urge you to demand redemption or the return of your money by joining the Class Action Lawsuit. Your participation is absolutely critical. If you don't join the CAL you will not get your money back. Please click HERE to sign up for the Class Action Lawsuit. If that link does not work, the URL is:
http://www.libertydollar.org/classaction/index.php.

Third: A Legal Defense Fund will be established very soon. Its purpose is to win the criminal case and get your money back. It will take money to make it successful. So your contribution is also critical. Please don't let the government steal your money.

So if you have an existing order, want to redeem your paper Certificates or digital Liberty Dollars, please join the fight to defend our right to own and use gold as you so chose and sign up for the Class Action Lawsuit. This is the only way you will get your stolen property back.

If you have no standing and want to finally get involved, no problem. There is still $20 million Liberty Dollars in circulation. Simply get some paper Liberty Dollars and sign up for the Class Action Lawsuit. There is still time for all the thick-headed Lewrockwellites, Markskousenites, Dougcaseyites and Agoraites to pull your head out and get 'right' on this important issue.

I regret to inform you that the Liberty Dollar office is now closed. The government boys took everything except for the desks and chairs. We have no stock, no records, no money. I can't even change the phone message because they took the phone manuals. Nor can I answer the thousands of email and calls from a national organization that now numbers into the hundreds of thousands. I am the last man standing. I need your help.

Thank you for your many offers of help. Now is the time for us to help our selves and our great country as it faces the greatest monetary challenge since the Revolutionary War. Buying gold and silver is good for you, but it will not solve our country's problems.

Government requires participation. The problems we have today are because our parents did not participate. Please keep using the Liberty Dollar. Keep the ideals and benefits of real money alive. Gold and silver is going to be very rewarding as the US dollar disintegrates. Please join the Class Action Lawsuit and give something to the Legal Defense Fund when it is established.

But you don't have to wait. Donations can be sent to the old address as the mail is now being forwarded. Of course we will still accept Liberty Dollars, but unfortunately due to the current situation, the attorneys require those dreaded depreciating US dollars.

Please make your check or money order out to me as there is no other bank account and mail it to: Liberty Dollar, 225 N. Stockwell Road. Evansville. Indiana. 47715.

Now is the time to band together and support our fight for value based currency as never before. Now is the time to throw off the yoke of a manipulated monetary/tax system and generate a peaceful and prosperous society.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for your offer of help, prayers and support.
The Liberty Dollar and our great country sincerely needs your support.

God bless you and our great country!

Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect

You can't get your money back if you don't join the class-action lawsuit?? Does anyone else think this stinks of scam??

[Demosthenes]

The precious metals are stored in Idaho:

http://sunshinemint.com/default.htm

According to Nuthouse,

But to make matters worse, all the gold and silver that backs up the paper certificates and digital currency held in the vault at Sunshine Mint has also been confiscated. Even the dies for mint the Gold and Silver Libertys have been taken.

And posted on nhfree:

FTL_Ian
Talk Show Porc
Enemy of the State

The Sunshine Mint doesn't know anything about a raid.

anarchicluv
Liberty Lover

There's a ton of talk about this over at the RonPaulForums as well. Nothing has been confirmed yet. I too called the Sunshine Mint this morning and the lady who answered had no idea what I was talking about.