Legit concerns of self-sovereignty advocates?

[davids]

Thanks Hyrion - a little touchy lately. Maybe I need a break!

[davids]

An interesting topic would be a rigorous comparison of these facts (which I was suggesting), with an attempt to overlay laws from the various institutions; however, since that has not yet been attempted (let alone accomplished as you mistakenly suggest) I am obliged to leave it ready for testing. Lastly, why blow so be-lowly the belt? Responding in-line & refraining from malicious straw-personal attacks would put your opinion in a nicer light.

What "facts" are there that you'd like to enlighten us with? Since you are sure that no one has ever attempted consider those "facts" whatever they are. Out with it. Tell us.

[Hyrion]

Lastly, why blow so be-lowly the belt? Responding in-line & refraining from malicious straw-personal attacks would put your opinion in a nicer light.

I simply voiced an opinion of your knowledge of history based on what you've authored. I'll just touch on one example as I can get pretty long-winded at times.

I learned from my German grandfather an accountant who fled Germany & their circle of old friends, that German and Russian law were not different but in small details when compared w/ USA. If true, are we merely lucky to be thriving & alive today & here as if these mechanisms could easily lead to what we have today & here or 1930s/Europe (or Russia).

Did your German Grandfather or your history education touch on the fact that how a Law is applied is at least as important as how the Law is worded? Additionally, sometimes a very small change can make a huge difference.*

There are plenty of people - including those in positions of great power like Hitler was - who will say one thing and do the opposite. As a clear example: How many thieves do you know of will tell you they are going to steal from you vs those who will say they would never steal? And if you don't know any thieves (been a victim of several myself) - perhaps you can consider which thief would have the easier career... the one who tells you s/he's about to steal from you or the one who doesn't.

Perhaps you could explain what you see as the differences in the application of Free Speech in either Nazi Germany or Cold-War Russia compared against any point in U.S. history and re-consider your presentation of said history.

The problem with wanting to take something and look at only one side - how it is similar vs how it is different - is that you don't get a clear view of actual reality. It's the total sum that counts.

* Small changes that can make huge differences:
1) Stop clubbing baby seals
vs
2) Stop clubbing, baby seals
...
Those darn partying seals.

[Patriotdiscussions]

New to N.H. HB 1778
This bill restates the "right to travel" and requires the department of safety to provide at no cost to all noncommercial automobile and noncommercial conveyance owners a decal and identification card that states the holder is exempt from registering his or her private conveyance under the Uniform Commercial Code exemption for consumer goods and household goods.
This bill also repeals requirements for certain drivers to aquire noncommercial drivers' licenses. https://legiscan.com/NH/text/HB1778/id/1659567

[wserra]

Were Patriotdelusions able to read, I'm sure he wouldn't have left it at this. After all, it's pretty dishonest to imply that this moronic bill actually is still alive in the NH legislature. It isn't, of course.

The NH legislature status page for this remarkably wrong-headed piece of legislation shows the following chronology:

Date Body Description
12/1/2017 H Introduced 01/03/2018 and referred to Transportation HJ 1 P. 23
1/3/2018 H Public Hearing: 01/10/2018 10:00 AM LOB 203
1/16/2018 H Executive Session: 01/10/2018 LOB 203
1/16/2018 H Majority Committee Report: Inexpedient to Legislate for 02/07/2018 (Vote 13-1; RC)
1/16/2018 H Minority Committee Report: Ought to Pass
2/9/2018 H Suspend House Rule 65 (Reps. Hinch, Shurtleff): MA VV by necessary two-thirds vote 02/08/2018 HJ 3 P. 81
2/9/2018 H Special Order to 2/15/2018 Without Objection HJ 3 P. 81
2/15/2018 H Inexpedient to Legislate: MA RC 287-44 02/15/2018 HJ 4 P. 8

This decodes as follows: The bill was referred to the Transportation committee on January 3, 2018. Less than two weeks later, the majority of the committee (13-1) found it "Inexpedient to Legislate" - a very polite way of calling it a dumb idea. On February 15, it came up before the full House on a roll-call vote; the vote was 287-44 to back the Committee recommendation. (The NH procedure is for the full body to vote on the Committee recommendation, not the bill itself. Details.) Patriotdelusions' latest, well, delusion is therefore pushing up daisies.

But, since he has proven repeatedly that he in fact can't read, we'll give him a pass.

[ArthurWankspittle]

New to N.H. HB 1778
This bill restates the "right to travel" and requires the department of safety to provide at no cost to all noncommercial automobile and noncommercial conveyance owners a decal and identification card that states the holder is exempt from registering his or her private conveyance under the Uniform Commercial Code exemption for consumer goods and household goods.
This bill also repeals requirements for certain drivers to aquire noncommercial drivers' licenses. https://legiscan.com/NH/text/HB1778/id/1659567

"New" in January and dropped in February wasn't it? Also a bit discriminatory to anyone who wants to travel freely by anything other than an automobile.

[notorial dissent]

Considering we are talking about NH I'm kind of amazed the don't call it what it is, "too stupid to consider" what disturbs me more is that there were 44 votes who apparently thought it wasn't, then again, it is NH. SIGH!!!!

Patriotdelusions is as you say, deluded, seriousl.

[AndyK]

Interesting to note that the legislator who introduced the bill is up for charges for (1) driving without a license, (2) driving an unregistered vehicle, and (3) failure to produce proof of insurance.

Also to consider; it is highly likely that the 49 other states will not blindly accept such documentation in NH actually does approve it. AND, such documentation would make it extremely difficult for any holder to clear security at any airport.

But, they aren't called soverignorami for mothing.

[notorial dissent]

That and insurance in NH would disappear and I would bet that insurance would NOT cover accidents happening to out of state drivers in NH. Unintended consequences and all that. So really NOT a good outcome.

[fortinbras]

The "household goods" mention of automobiles does not relate to an automobile in motion on the road but to an automobile (1) as an item of merchandise, as in being bought-and-sold between vendor and purchaser, or between manufacturer and retailer, or (2) as an item of cargo, as someone's vehicle being moved by rail or ship or truck, or being taxed or charged customs duty when in transit as cargo, or (3) possibly as something damaged or destroyed within a house, as a car inside a garage when the entire building was hit by a tornado.

The "household goods" mention does not entitle someone or anyone to operate that vehicle on a road. It positively, absolutely, is not a substitute for a driver's license nor for the license plate that shows that the vehicle was examined and registered.

The US Supreme Court's Hendrick decision in 1915 and Kane decision in 1916 expressly allowed, even encouraged, States to require motorists to have driver's licenses - and out-of-state motorists to have driver's licenses from their home state or, if required, also of the states they were visiting. The point of this is that this proposed (and unlikely) New Hampshire legislation, if adopted in New Hampshire or anywhere, will trigger all other states to be on the lookout for cars from that state (either with the license plates or marking of that state or the absence of the proper plates), and nailing the drivers for lacking a driver's license notwithstanding their home state allows them to drive without one.

[notorial dissent]

Since there is NOTHING in either the UCC or the Constitution about right to travel by automobile sans license the entirety of their argument(s) is specious, on top of being flat out BORING!!!