Practical Lawful Dissent FMOTL antics, continued...

[Siegfried Shrink]

That cry to 'research it' always carries an unspoken implication of 'only in places that agree with me'. Confirmation bias may lead the gullible to do this anyway, for everyone else it invariably shows that the contention is nonsense if if is nonsense.

[Gregg]

The 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion' is over a century old and just mentioning it puts you firmly into Tinfoil hat land. Believing a word of it isn't as smart as going about halfway with flat earthers.

[notorial dissent]

The Protocols were a piece of pure fiction crap produced in Czarist Russia during the pograms and then spread west. It was crap then, it is crap now, but very popular with the idiot racists ever since.

[jonathan01n]

I am interested, what will happen to a person in UK which do not have a birth certificate, do not have a name and legally do not exist on Government IT system drives a car on UK roads, what will happen to him/ her and will she be deported? Deporting to where? Just asking.

[Gregg]

I am interested, what will happen to a person in UK which do not have a birth certificate, do not have a name and legally do not exist on Government IT system drives a car on UK roads, what will happen to him/ her and will she be deported? Deporting to where? Just asking.

Somalia, where they are air dropped and are advised to provide their own parachute or alternative landing system. Except, of course, those who know that ''the law of gravity'' is not common law, and therefore does not apply to them. They don't need parachutes.

[D-C]

I am interested, what will happen to a person in UK which do not have a birth certificate, do not have a name and legally do not exist on Government IT system drives a car on UK roads, what will happen to him/ her and will she be deported? Deporting to where? Just asking.

It has happened,

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-17522865

[Tevildo]

I am interested, what will happen to a person in UK which do not have a birth certificate, do not have a name and legally do not exist on Government IT system drives a car on UK roads, what will happen to him/ her and will she be deported? Deporting to where? Just asking.

If the driver is the registered keeper of the car, that will be sufficient for the police to identify them and charge them with failure to produce a driver's licence, etc. If not, the registered keeper will be obliged to identify the driver - if they refuse, they can be prosecuted under Section 172 of the Road Traffic Act. If the driver refuses to communicate at all with the police, they may end up sectioned - see Piano Man for a real-life example.

[longdog]

This is priceless... It looks like somebody reclaimed PPI on a debt they never repaid and was then surprised that the creditor found out where they lived...

Julian Price

Think I may have stumbled onto something here trying to help someone with the threat of bailiffs so any information on Lowell Portfolio 1 Ltd would be great.

Earlier this year a friend phoned the 'Claims Guys' to see if she had a claim for miss-sold PPI. They found something and managed to get her £375 (less their crooked 25% for 2 minutes work).

About 3 months later she got the attached (Notice of Issue of Warrant of Control) suggesting she had been taken to court by Lowell Portfolio 1 Ltd for a previous debt (Obviously Lowell have purchased the debt from someone else) and as you can see they have given her til the 31st October to pay it or they're sending the bailiffs.

The one thing that resonated with me is when she said this case only appeared after she made the claim for PPI...?

I strongly suspect that the 'Claims Guys' in their checking for PPI process also use the information they find to notify (or sell on to) debt collection agencies/companies, so in effect you're paying them to screw you over. And surely there's GDPR issues too right..?

Anyone had similar issues..? Any comments or advice is also welcome..!

I've got some advice... If you owe somebody money and you're trying to wait out the statute barring don't stick your head above the parapet.

[notorial dissent]

Nothing like giving the debt collectors who are looking for you your contact information.

[AndyPandy]

This is priceless... It looks like somebody reclaimed PPI on a debt they never repaid and was then surprised that the creditor found out where they lived...

Julian Price

Think I may have stumbled onto something here trying to help someone with the threat of bailiffs so any information on Lowell Portfolio 1 Ltd would be great.

Earlier this year a friend phoned the 'Claims Guys' to see if she had a claim for miss-sold PPI. They found something and managed to get her £375 (less their crooked 25% for 2 minutes work).

About 3 months later she got the attached (Notice of Issue of Warrant of Control) suggesting she had been taken to court by Lowell Portfolio 1 Ltd for a previous debt (Obviously Lowell have purchased the debt from someone else) and as you can see they have given her til the 31st October to pay it or they're sending the bailiffs.

The one thing that resonated with me is when she said this case only appeared after she made the claim for PPI...?

I strongly suspect that the 'Claims Guys' in their checking for PPI process also use the information they find to notify (or sell on to) debt collection agencies/companies, so in effect you're paying them to screw you over. And surely there's GDPR issues too right..?

Anyone had similar issues..? Any comments or advice is also welcome..!

I've got some advice... If you owe somebody money and you're trying to wait out the statute barring don't stick your head above the parapet.

It won't be the Claims Company that provided Lowell's with the address, it's the credit check the Claim Company carried out to see what credit the individual had had in the past, only she'll have been too stuuuupide and greedy to have realised that !

[Baron Jeff.]

Oh boy, it seems that David has unknowingly accepted the existence of Parliamentary Sovereignty (A. V. Dicey's point about not being able to bind successor parliaments and the Factortame issue) in his latest EU/treason post.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

Oh boy, it seems that David has unknowingly accepted the existence of Parliamentary Sovereignty (A. V. Dicey's point about not being able to bind successor parliaments and the Factortame issue) in his latest EU/treason post.

I know it's becoming unfashionable to provide quotes and citations but cover me in lemon curd and call me a meringue, I really don't have a clue what that is about.

[Baron Jeff.]

Oh boy, it seems that David has unknowingly accepted the existence of Parliamentary Sovereignty (A. V. Dicey's point about not being able to bind successor parliaments and the Factortame issue) in his latest EU/treason post.

I know it's becoming unfashionable to provide quotes and citations but cover me in lemon curd and call me a meringue, I really don't have a clue what that is about.

He shared this:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/practic ... 475368480/

The last paragraph, if you ignore the dodgy treason acts and vitriol, is a point plenty of Constitutional lawyers have made over the years. However, it hinges on an acceptance of the traditional theory of Parliamentary Sovereignty, not the warped FMOTL view of Common Law.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

He shared this:

[Burnaby49]

At law his was the most calculating and grievious High Treason in British history. He gave away his country.

Obviously the only remedy is to dig up Edward Heath's body and hang him from Traitor's Gate. Unfortunately he was cremated so the treacherous bastard's gotten away with it.

[grixit]

This is priceless... It looks like somebody reclaimed PPI on a debt they never repaid and was then surprised that the creditor found out where they lived...

Julian Price

Think I may have stumbled onto something here trying to help someone with the threat of bailiffs so any information on Lowell Portfolio 1 Ltd would be great.

Earlier this year a friend phoned the 'Claims Guys' to see if she had a claim for miss-sold PPI. They found something and managed to get her £375 (less their crooked 25% for 2 minutes work).

About 3 months later she got the attached (Notice of Issue of Warrant of Control) suggesting she had been taken to court by Lowell Portfolio 1 Ltd for a previous debt (Obviously Lowell have purchased the debt from someone else) and as you can see they have given her til the 31st October to pay it or they're sending the bailiffs.

The one thing that resonated with me is when she said this case only appeared after she made the claim for PPI...?

I strongly suspect that the 'Claims Guys' in their checking for PPI process also use the information they find to notify (or sell on to) debt collection agencies/companies, so in effect you're paying them to screw you over. And surely there's GDPR issues too right..?

Anyone had similar issues..? Any comments or advice is also welcome..!

I've got some advice... If you owe somebody money and you're trying to wait out the statute barring don't stick your head above the parapet.

It won't be the Claims Company that provided Lowell's with the address, it's the credit check the Claim Company carried out to see what credit the individual had had in the past, only she'll have been too stuuuupide and greedy to have realised that !

Here in the US, law enforcement agencies sometimes pull string operations where they send fake contest winner announcements to the last known addresses of local fugitives. These include a date and location for winners to show up and collect their football tickets, big screen tvs, or whatever the prize is supposed to be. I used to be surprised at how well those always work. But i'm not anymore.

[longdog]

I am interested, what will happen to a person in UK which do not have a birth certificate, do not have a name and legally do not exist on Government IT system drives a car on UK roads, what will happen to him/ her and will she be deported? Deporting to where? Just asking.

I think I might have an answer to this.

I was speaking to a prodigal friend at the weekend. She's a qualified solicitor who specialised for some time in immigration cases many relating to people with no documentation at all albeit not British born.

Her learned opinion, although she's not 100% sure, is that a high court judge would have the power, if he were satisfied by the evidence, to make an order that for all legal purposes the person shall be taken to be the child of Ms X and Mr Y (if known) and have been born at place A on date B. That would be sufficient for a driving licence, passport, NI number etc. Whether this would lead to a very late registration of the birth and the issue of a birth certificate she wasn't sure.

She also said the chances of anybody reaching adulthood without somebody in authority noticing their birth wasn't registered is vanishingly remote. Apparently kids can't start school without one.

[hucknallred]

Here in the US, law enforcement agencies sometimes pull string operations where they send fake contest winner announcements to the last known addresses of local fugitives. These include a date and location for winners to show up and collect their football tickets, big screen tvs, or whatever the prize is supposed to be. I used to be surprised at how well those always work. But i'm not anymore.

Something like this was done in the UK, they even hired some celebrities & used the guise of a game show.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/ ... g.channel5

[Siegfried Shrink]

Rather ironic they used the Hamiltons.

[The Seventh String]

The last paragraph, if you ignore the dodgy treason acts and vitriol, is a point plenty of Constitutional lawyers have made over the years. However, it hinges on an acceptance of the traditional theory of Parliamentary Sovereignty, not the warped FMOTL view of Common Law.

And the logical conclusion for the PLDers to draw from this belated encounter with reality is that the Acts concerning the EU/EEC constitutionally overturned any provisions in earlier legislation that would have prevented the UK from joining the EU (EEC as was).

Also that more recent Acts dealing with the offence of treason would have over-ruled any previous legislation. So, for example, women are no longer to be incinerated for murdering their husbands (“petty treason”) or men shaving bits off coins of the realm hanged, drawn and quartered.

Or those who declare themselves to be in rebellion against the Crown suffering the same fate

But basic logic isn’t really a FMOTL kind of thing.