New York Times on the Sovereign Citizen Movement

[Dr. Caligari]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/29/busi ... crime.html

Some old friends of ours mentioned.

[Famspear]

Melissa Morton was released from prison on schedule, on May 16, 2019.

Sean David Morton is scheduled for release on November 8, 2022.

[notorial dissent]

Melissa Morton was released from prison on schedule, on May 16, 2019.

Sean David Morton is scheduled for release on November 8, 2022.

At which point they will undoubtedly continue on their scamming career. Not that they have stopped as far as I can tell.

[Manny]

Ah; sovereign citizens. I've researched the movement and conclude that these folks suffer from a terminal case of cheap ass. They want others to pay so they can do and have whatever they want. How nice.

Now, I'm the first to say that our tax dollars are improperly spent and the international banking community gets a big piece of the action. But I pay my taxes. Although I no longer consider myself an American, I realize that everyone must pay the "vig".

[Pottapaug1938]

The motto of the sovereign citizen can be spoken in the tones of a petulant eight-year-old: "I doan' wanna DO that, an' you can't MAKE me! It's a free country!"

When I was a kid, I got those lines from a girl my age who was harassing me. I was tempted to take the cup of water that I was drinking and dump it over her head, reminding her that "it's a free country"; but back then, parents always took the sides of girls in those matters -- we boys were supposed to "just walk away and ignore her," or something. The girls knew that, and took full advantage of their immunity.

[lurker9000]

Now, I'm the first to say that our tax dollars are improperly spent and the international banking community gets a big piece of the action. But I pay my taxes. Although I no longer consider myself an American, I realize that everyone must pay the "vig".

Manny, I'm curious have you checked your state or federal budget? On the federal side far more money goes to mandatory and defense spending than anywhere else. I'm posting this because I think it is a worth while discussion to ask how our government spends our tax dollars but to have that discussion we really need to start with accurate information on how or tax dollars were spent. There are a lot of misconceptions out there about how the government spends money.

[NYGman]

There are a lot of misconceptions out there about how the government spends money.

Hookers & Blow?

[Manny]

Now, I'm the first to say that our tax dollars are improperly spent and the international banking community gets a big piece of the action. But I pay my taxes. Although I no longer consider myself an American, I realize that everyone must pay the "vig".

Manny, I'm curious have you checked your state or federal budget? On the federal side far more money goes to mandatory and defense spending than anywhere else. I'm posting this because I think it is a worth while discussion to ask how our government spends our tax dollars but to have that discussion we really need to start with accurate information on how or tax dollars were spent. There are a lot of misconceptions out there about how the government spends money.

Please consider that porkbarreling stuff. Should be illegal but too many people profit from it. Then there's the vig. EVERYBODY pays a vig. International Banking is at the top and never suffers a loss. Much more than 50% of your tax dollar is wasted. What a country!

[Siegfried Shrink]

Much more than 50% of your tax dollar is wasted.

Even if true, this does not really matter. That wasted money goes back into the economy and pays wages and food bills for the people even if what they produce is way overpriced and more or ess useless. It's part of what makes war affordable, although the entire production is effectively thrown away and destroyed, the economy can boom.

[Gregg]

Its not even close to true. And modern banking is the mechanism that allows for economic growth.

[AndyK]

Please consider that porkbarreling stuff. Should be illegal but too many people profit from it. Then there's the vig. EVERYBODY pays a vig. International Banking is at the top and never suffers a loss. Much more than 50% of your tax dollar is wasted. What a country!

Manny

Instead of just spewing, how about posting some facts to back up your statements?

[Manny]

Please consider that porkbarreling stuff. Should be illegal but too many people profit from it. Then there's the vig. EVERYBODY pays a vig. International Banking is at the top and never suffers a loss. Much more than 50% of your tax dollar is wasted. What a country!

Manny

Instead of just spewing, how about posting some facts to back up your statements?

Ah, the spew factor. Here goes...

When most people on the planet are suffering and not doing well at all, there's one group that continues to profit. That group also determines international policy for individual countries. Henry Kissinger is their messenger; I wonder what he told Trump when he went to see him in 2016! Why does the US put up with paying so much more than others for Rx drugs? Might that be due to international bankers? How about actually following the money like I did rather than listening to the spewing of others?

Just spewing, huh? I draw my conclusions by researching issues extensively before forming an opinion. Did you work for your Federal government or a bank?

[Manny]

Its not even close to true. And modern banking is the mechanism that allows for economic growth.

WHO'S economic growth? Yours? Certainly not mine...

[wserra]

one group that continues to profit ... determines international policy ... Henry Kissinger ... international bankers

Dogs and whistles? Nah, not from someone who awards himself an "asshole merit badge".

[AndyK]

When most people on the planet are suffering and not doing well at all, there's one group that continues to profit. That group also determines international policy for individual countries. Henry Kissinger is their messenger; I wonder what he told Trump when he went to see him in 2016! Why does the US put up with paying so much more than others for Rx drugs? Might that be due to international bankers? How about actually following the money like I did rather than listening to the spewing of others?

Just spewing, huh? I draw my conclusions by researching issues extensively before forming an opinion. Did you work for your Federal government or a bank?

OMG! Its The Jooz again! IMO, Manny is coming close to the line of requiring moderation, or at least a bar of soap for his mouth.

[Gregg]

Its not even close to true. And modern banking is the mechanism that allows for economic growth.

WHO'S economic growth? Yours? Certainly not mine...

You're right, all that garbage I learned gettin' schooled about Economics was just brainwashing by the big bad ebil guv'met banksters!

What you obviously don't know about...well, pretty much everything, I could probably fit in the Grand Canyon. You're sure sound like you know phuckall about banking. But, sure, bring back the Gold Standard, hang the bankers from the lightposts on Wall Street and The CIty of London. Let the meek inherit the earth* and the stupid take over the world.


I yawn in the general direction of your ignorance, now back up the senseless garbage you say or go find whatever took over for the Daily Stormer and leave the grownups alone.

*In fact I'm really totally okay with the meek winning the earth on the last episode. The meek are pretty easy to get along with and in general don't mind admitting their limitations. All in all they're good people and at least as adorable as baby otters eating carrots. Its the stupid that I can't get on with.

[morrand]

I draw my conclusions by researching issues extensively before forming an opinion.

Excellent! As I like to do the same, I look forward to reviewing some of your research. Would you cite your sources, please?

[Gregg]

I draw my conclusions by researching issues extensively before forming an opinion.

Excellent! As I like to do the same, I look forward to reviewing some of your research. Would you cite your sources, please?

Moi? Harvard College, London School of Economics, Xavier University, University of Michigan-Ross... but I'm guessing our learned friend has much better Youtubes on his CV.

[Manny]

Its not even close to true. And modern banking is the mechanism that allows for economic growth.

WHO'S economic growth? Yours? Certainly not mine...

You're right, all that garbage I learned gettin' schooled about Economics was just brainwashing by the big bad ebil guv'met banksters!

What you obviously don't know about...well, pretty much everything, I could probably fit in the Grand Canyon. You're sure sound like you know phuckall about banking. But, sure, bring back the Gold Standard, hang the bankers from the lightposts on Wall Street and The CIty of London. Let the meek inherit the earth* and the stupid take over the world.


I yawn in the general direction of your ignorance, now back up the senseless garbage you say or go find whatever took over for the Daily Stormer and leave the grownups alone.

*In fact I'm really totally okay with the meek winning the earth on the last episode. The meek are pretty easy to get along with and in general don't mind admitting their limitations. All in all they're good people and at least as adorable as baby otters eating carrots. Its the stupid that I can't get on with.

Those unable to discuss insult.

[wserra]

In your case, to quote is to insult.