Robert 'Crab Bait' White consents to losing his houses

[HardyW]

Looking back at those times I'm going to speculate again...

That was roughly three hours into the case which makes me doubt there was any serious irregularity on the part of the CPS.

Three hours would seem long enough for the prosecution to question the one or two witnesses I assume were present. The cops.

This isn't really a complex case where anything needs to be argued beyond did the events happen.

Three hours is just enough time for:
* the prosecution barrister to start the opening statement to the jury
* the prosecution barrister to take nearly an hour to sort out the technology get the police body cam video to appear on the screens in the courtroom,
* the court clerk to fail to get the linkup to some police station where one or more officers might have given evidence remotely
* the judge to fail to be convinced as to how a police officer appearing remotely could be questioned about the video on the screen in the courtroom.
* the judge to order that the witnesses must appear in person tomorrow.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

Three hours is just enough time for:

Absolutely. But wouldn't that be marked down as an adjournment?

My query is a procedural one, rather than a knock back. If you've read The Secret Barrister: The Law and How It's Broken, you have outlined a very plausible scenario!

[aesmith]

The last update was "Legal submissions", not "Prosecution case". Doesn't that suggest that they hadn't started giving evidence?

[AnOwlCalledSage]

Rewritten in light of further information!

The last update was "Legal submissions", not "Prosecution case". Doesn't that suggest that they hadn't started giving evidence?

The prosecution had started but that would just be outlining the case. Causelist usually (but not always) posts when witnesses are being heard so I agree evidence was probably not being given.

He posted "back tomorrow" and it is still listed:

NOT BEFORE 10:30 am
Trial (Part Heard)
T20190126 WHITE Robert A 46XY1094519 CKENM Crown Prosecution Service

If it is abandoned, methinks this could be one for the Secret Barrister to take a look at.

Update:

Etienne Copus Good news From Robert, first day has gone well,Police fucked up and have pissed the judge off,and Robert sounds very up beat. I'll say no more,I'm sure Robert will tell it better than me and it's his story to tell.

In further reading "Trial Ineffective" is defined by HMCS as

Ineffective Trial - on the trial date, the trial does not go ahead due to action or inaction by one or more of the prosecution, the defence or the court and a further listing for trial is required.

So it looks like a CPS cock up but not a fatal one. Could be as simple as not loading the correct documents on the electronic court system.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

Resumed at 11.15am.

Current status (as of 12:12) Legal Submissions, which The Law Pages say means:

Legal Submissions in the court hearings listing mean that legal technicalities are under discussion either within the court (where the jury may have to be removed) or the chambers. The Prosecution and/or the Defence Counsel will be addressing the judge. Under some circumstances the public may be denied access to the court until the submissions are complete. Outside the court door a sign will make it clear that the court is not open to the public and may say 'in chambers'.

[TheNewSaint]

I'd like to think Crabby would be the source of any procedural problems in this case.

[longdog]

I'd like to think Crabby would be the source of any procedural problems in this case.

Using the civil burden of "balance of probabilities" I suspect your thinks are right.

[AndyPandy]

I'd like to think Crabby would be the source of any procedural problems in this case.

Looks as though it’s been adjourned for the day.

[longdog]

Hmmmm....

So it's been adjourned and not thrown out yet as a result of Crabbert's cunning legal stratagems eh?

The case is still going forward.

Hmmmm....

[aesmith]

Resumed at 14:08. No wonder these cases take days if the court only starts late morning, and keeps knock off for a break.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

Trial (Part Heard) - Hearing finished for ROBERT ARTHUR WHITE 28/08/2019 15:04

I've seen conflicting definitions for hearing finished. One is that the hearing has finished for the day. Another is that arguments have finished and it's awaiting a decision. However, I would have thought the latter would have had the jury retiring to consider a verdict.

I suspect from cross-referencing with Sabine McNeill's Causelist trial updates, it has simply finished for the day.

But in a nutshell. I haven't a clue what's going on!

[longdog]

But in a nutshell. I haven't a clue what's going on!

And our only real source of info is Crabbert himself who isn't a reliable source.

I wonder what happened to his army of supporters.

[AndyPandy]

Eviction/trial update.

Can’t say too much as I’ve been warned by the judge. The trial came to an end today and I’m back in Maidstone crown court on 11th September to see if there’s going to be a retrial. I’ll say no more for now.

Law pages say Hearing Finished, is he telling us porkies ??

Hearing Finished The hearing of the case for the specified defendant(s) has concluded for today. It is not an indication that the case has finished just that today's hearing has finished.

[Burnaby49]

None of this pointless ambiguity in Canada. If a hearing/trial is finished for the day but is to be continued the court says "the hearing is adjourned until . . . ".

[mufc1959]

"The trial came to an end today and I’m back in Maidstone crown court on 11th September to see if there’s going to be a retrial for sentencing."

FTFY

[Zeek]

You lot really have not got a clue its laughable, you really are grabbing at straws in every sense.

Face and egg

[longdog]

You lot really have not got a clue its laughable, you really are grabbing at straws in every sense.

Face and egg

Calm down Robert.

[Tuba Cain]

My goodness, is it really him in the flesh? Er... shell? Do crabs have shells? Or is it a carapace? I’ve always wanted to ask one.

[aesmith]

I think he'd post in his own name.

[longdog]

I think he'd post in his own name.

Dick Head?