Michael (of Bernicia) Waugh, UK bankster-buster

[aesmith]

he then either gave or sold the stolen draft claim form to another individual, who published it on his Facebook page with malice

Anyone seen that?

[notorial dissent]

Definitely New Year's humour……

All five of them simultaneously hacked, now why do I have a hard time believing that???? I will believe that O'Waugh was roaming around on a bad porn site and got something nasty, and passed it around, that I have NO problem believing. Someone saying untrue things about them, how shocking. I am curious as to who the "notoriously odious individuals" I would like to congratulate them. Fancy that, one of their own stealing from them, allegedly. I doubt seriously that they are taking any kind of legal action since they don't want their own activities looked in to too closely.

So "500 unique examples" "prove endemic fraud" his math skills are obviously on par with his legal skills, since that is considerably less than 1%, or in real world terms statistically and factually inconsequential/meaningless.

Virtual servers, yeah right, kind of like statistically significant.

Why do I have a hard time believing they have served anyone? Not that it means anything even if they have actually thrown paper or electrons at people.

I can't help but wonder HOW their "legal arguments have largely already been won" when they have NEVER seen the inside of a court. Judges are funny that they way, they like to well judge things like this.

A "a six figure sum committed" that I can't help suspecting consists of all zeros.

Yes, lots of NY humour….. Question, does the UK recognize common law copyright? Their forms could be copyrighted, but not the data. Also too, shouldn't this joker be reported to the Data Protection people since he most likely is really breaking the law?

[ArthurWankspittle]

"Publishing on Facebook with malice" is out there with "loitering with intent to use a pedestrian crossing".

[aesmith]

Question, does the UK recognize common law copyright?

It's been in statute for some time, but it remains an automatic right, it doesn't have to be claimed to be effective.

[letissier14]

Meanwhile, despite protestations that they don't want any money from you, they suddenly need 15 MILLION QUID to proceed.

£15 million needed?

I thought they said

"Currently, we only have a six figure sum committed, in the form of a very generous community grant, which means that unless we can raise five hundred times that figure, the class actions would be vulnerable to being shut down on that ground, without a game-changing shift in strategy."

So taking the smallest 6 figure sum as £100k and they need to raise 500 times that amount, shouldn't it be

100,000 x 500

= £50 million

Or have I read that wrong?

[John Uskglass]

Thinking about that £15M figure some more...

If I understand correctly, MoB claims that it is needed because participants in his 'class action' would need to demonstrate that they have the funds available to meet the costs of the case. On the face of it, this might seem quite reasonable, as it represents £30K for each of his 500 claimants. However, first off as pointed out up thread, it seems that the idea that 500 is a magic number needed to file a class action is incorrect. It could be done with far fewer, and thus with less cost.
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Secondly, unless I'm mistaken, the point of a class action is that only one hearing, and thus one set of costs is required. In other words, it would only require the claimants collectively to show they have the funds for that one hearing, rather than that each individual claimant is able to fund the whole cost. So if he reckons taking one case would need £30K, surely that's all that's needed for n cases?

IANAL, so stand to be corrected.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

IANAL, so stand to be corrected.

I'm not either but England and Wales (and I assume Scotland) do not have class actions, no matter how much newspapers like to use the US terminology (I'm looking at you Guardian!). The nearest we have is Group Litigation Orders which is co-ordination at the case management level.

[longdog]

I don't see how he would possibly need the £15/50,000,000 slush fund. It seems to be based on losing multiple individual cases in which case A) It's not a "class action"... B) You'd have to be a moron to deliberately use the same losing arguments over and over again at five figure costs per case C) You would be hit with a vexatious litigant order very quickly if you did so and D) The TGBMS arguments are obviously not as fail-safe as he's cracking on.

It's just him setting an unachievable target yet again as an excuse for the inevitable failure to do anything.

[longdog]

"Publishing on Facebook with malice" is out there with "loitering with intent to use a pedestrian crossing".

The Constable Savage school of law. See also "Wearing a loud shirt in a built up area during the hours of darkness" and "Being in possession of an offensive wife"

Mind you... I had an actual, real (but possibly twelve year old) cop tell me on Saturday that I wasn't allowed to hang my English longbow and arrows on the wall of my living room as they could be seen by the public. I very politely told him he was making shit up and I'd hang whatever I liked, wherever I liked in my own own home unless it was against a law he hadn't just made up and he could stuff his "just giving advice" up his doughnut ejection port

[John Uskglass]

I wasn't allowed to hang my English longbow and arrows on the wall of my living room as they could be seen by the public.

You just know that's going to enter 'folk law' along with compulsory archery practice for all males, and shooting Welsh people after sunset within the walls of Chester.

[longdog]

You just know that's going to enter 'folk law' along with compulsory archery practice for all males, and shooting Welsh people after sunset within the walls of Chester.

...On a Sunday. See also pregnant women and policemen's helmets.

It really annoyed me as I had reported an offence of threatening behaviour and witness intimidation and they had turned up about it, two months later, to tell me that I was being investigated for a public order offence. They wanted to do a tick-box "words of advice / six of one and half a dozen of the other" exercise and I'm not having it so I'm being interviewed under caution next week. I'm not even slightly worried as god's best lawyer on his best day couldn't make a case out of it (basically calling somebody by their embarrassing real first name). So they'd already put my back up when he started pulling laws out of his arse. I'm not finished with him yet. He's only had a small dose of how patronising and sarcastic I can be and hell hath no fury like a barrack-room lawyer scorned

[SoLongCeylon]

O'Bonkers has not been brave enough to post his humiliating email update onto his facebook page.

Surely the reason for this can't be because people will be able to post comments and say nasty things about how useless he is.

[Pottapaug1938]

O'Bonkers's woes all seem to boil down to variations on the theme "the dog ate my homework" or "a bully stole my homework".

[aesmith]

I think the nearest analogy to his "class action" that I've seen documented was the "applecart" void deed fiasco a few years ago. Like M O'B this alleged defects in the paperwork and hoped to get mortgages cancelled and free houses as a result. In that case each individual borrower was encouraged to make their own application, which was to the Property Chamber and not to High Court. A key point when encouraging application was the fact that there was no fee to be paid for this type of application.

The final result was two cases being heard as samples, those two litigants were each hit with £8,500 costs. Other applicants were hit with unspecified costs (one said "thousands") even though they withdrew their claims.

[aesmith]

Duplicate for some reason

[ArthurWankspittle]

Almost entirely off topic....

It really annoyed me as I had reported an offence of threatening behaviour and witness intimidation and they had turned up about it, two months later, to tell me that I was being investigated for a public order offence. They wanted to do a tick-box "words of advice / six of one and half a dozen of the other" exercise and I'm not having it so I'm being interviewed under caution next week. I'm not even slightly worried as god's best lawyer on his best day couldn't make a case out of it (basically calling somebody by their embarrassing real first name). So they'd already put my back up when he started pulling laws out of his arse. I'm not finished with him yet. He's only had a small dose of how patronising and sarcastic I can be and hell hath no fury like a barrack-room lawyer scorned

Hopefully some of you equipment is made by Richard Head so you can have a "Fork Handles" conversation going with said constable.
And, have you got a full 6' yew, 100+ lb draw, French annoying bow or something smaller?

[aesmith]

So taking the smallest 6 figure sum as £100k

I assumed he'd be counting pence, so £1,000.00

[longdog]

And, have you got a full 6' yew, 100+ lb draw, French annoying bow or something smaller?

No... I don't have anything over about 50lb due to a shortage of Frenchmen

A friend has a gnarled and ugly thing about 130lb and it's far, far, far too much like hard work and way too dangerous for back-garden plinking.

[notorial dissent]

The thing to remember here is that O'Wah is a lying liar who lies. He can't go court with any of this, and the other options will equally fail. I think it is also a pretty safe bet that any money they get will sooner or later end up in his pockets.

[JimUk1]

O'Bonkers's woes all seem to boil down to variations on the theme "the dog ate my homework" or "a bully stole my homework".

Or, the judge didn’t didn’t understand plain English?

I didn’t pay my mortgage judge, gawwwwd, what’s so hard to understand, it was the {insert your most disliked minority} fault!