Schulz' charity

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Schulz' charity

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The 2006 Form 990 for the We The People Foundation has posted to guidestar.org and can be read here:

http://www.cheatingfrenzy.com/wtp2006.pdf

Bob has two charities (WTP Foundation, a 501(c)(3) charity, and WTP Congress, a 501(c)(4) charity) but only the foundation has Form 990s available.

Items of interest.
Breakdown of year by year gross income
1998 $1,653
1999 $20,786
2000 $124,050
2001 $375,669
2002 $427,130
2003 $485,275
2004 $392,919
2005 $250,684
2006 $224,598

TOTAL $2,302,764
Income
Donations $154,373
Legal Defense Fund $47,707
Sales $12,181
Expenses
Legal Fees $19,258 (Yet "None" was listed under Professional contractors)
Printing and Publication $42,330
Travel $23,827
Internet and Webcasting $32,300
Web Hosting $39,100
Theft $8,600
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Re: Schulz' charity

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Theft $8,600
What?
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Re: Schulz' charity

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Dr. Caligari wrote:
Theft $8,600
What?
I'd like to second that question.

On second thought, though, maybe every amount on the return should be labeled theft??
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Internet and Webcasting $32,300
Web Hosting $39,100
Wow. I pay $599.40 per year for FIOS internet, and I host 16 websites for $119.40 per year total cost.
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Re: Schulz' charity

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Demosthenes wrote:
Internet and Webcasting $32,300
Web Hosting $39,100
Wow. I pay $599.40 per year for FIOS internet, and I host 16 websites for $119.40 per year.
Yeah. But are you figuring in a price for your labor?

I'd say that's what the numbers represent. You just do it for fun, huh?
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Re: Schulz' charity

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Price for labor would have been disclosed under Schedule A of the Form 990 (page 10 of the pdf).
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Re: Schulz' charity

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You're too thorough. I only read highlights.

In that case, you're right. This is an excessive amount.
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Re: Schulz' charity

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Demosthenes wrote:
Internet and Webcasting $32,300
Web Hosting $39,100
Wow. I pay $599.40 per year for FIOS internet, and I host 16 websites for $119.40 per year total cost.
I am on the board of directors on a prominent state charitable foundation. We have a top of the line website with about 5 other related websites. It is configured to accept CC's and so is partially secured. In total we spend around $4-5,000.00 on design and hosting fees a year. I can't even begin to imagine what we could do with a web budget of $40,000. Wow.
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Who here believes that Schulz and Dietz really work for nothing?
Page 5 of the PDF.
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Re: Schulz' charity

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Ok, so this is really strange. Lot of money to spend on web fees. Also, how does Schultz survive on 0 income from something he devoted 40hrs a week to?

Web hosting - 39,100.00
internet/webcasting 32,300.00
Website presentation of meetings and
discussions in keeping with the exempt purposes - 73,158.00
Robert Schultz salary - 0.00
Time devoted to Organization by Mr. Schultz - 40 hours a week.
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Imalawman wrote:Ok, so this is really strange. Lot of money to spend on web fees. Also, how does Schultz survive on 0 income from something he devoted 40hrs a week to?

Web hosting - 39,100.00
internet/webcasting 32,300.00
Website presentation of meetings and
discussions in keeping with the exempt purposes - 73,158.00
Robert Schultz salary - 0.00
Time devoted to Organization by Mr. Schultz - 40 hours a week.
Wow, good thing for Schulz that no U.S. government tax people monitor this web site.....
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Re: Schulz' charity

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Wait, what's that whistling sound????......

Oh, it's Bob Schulz, whistling past the cemetery.....
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Re: Schulz' charity

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Imalawman wrote:Ok, so this is really strange. Lot of money to spend on web fees. Also, how does Schultz survive on 0 income from something he devoted 40hrs a week to?

Web hosting - 39,100.00
internet/webcasting 32,300.00
Website presentation of meetings and
discussions in keeping with the exempt purposes - 73,158.00
Robert Schultz salary - 0.00
Time devoted to Organization by Mr. Schultz - 40 hours a week.
FWIW, in the transcript of Schulz' argument before the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals, he states that he receives no income. (see pp.3-4)
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Re: Schulz' charity

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Dezcad wrote:
Imalawman wrote:Ok, so this is really strange. Lot of money to spend on web fees. Also, how does Schultz survive on 0 income from something he devoted 40hrs a week to?

Web hosting - 39,100.00
internet/webcasting 32,300.00
Website presentation of meetings and
discussions in keeping with the exempt purposes - 73,158.00
Robert Schultz salary - 0.00
Time devoted to Organization by Mr. Schultz - 40 hours a week.
FWIW, in the transcript of Schulz' argument before the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals, he states that he receives no income. (see pp.3-4)
Oh, I know that what he states....the question is if I believe that. I'm undecided on that point, but definitely suspicious.
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Famspear wrote:Wow, good thing for Schulz that no U.S. government tax people monitor this web site.....
Funny how Procedure and Administration is too busy to review and pull Bob's (c)(3).

I mean, it's not like no one has brought it to their attention every other month for the last five years.
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Nikki wrote:
Famspear wrote:Wow, good thing for Schulz that no U.S. government tax people monitor this web site.....
Funny how Procedure and Administration is too busy to review and pull Bob's (c)(3).

I mean, it's not like no one has brought it to their attention every other month for the last five years.
I have definitely wondered about this. I guess everyone has limited time and resources, but....
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Demosthenes wrote:
Internet and Webcasting $32,300
Web Hosting $39,100
Wow. I pay $599.40 per year for FIOS internet, and I host 16 websites for $119.40 per year total cost.
I would suggest that Mr. Schulz may have a financial interest in the company that provides his Internet and web services.
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Re: Schulz' charity

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Cobalt Shiva wrote:
Demosthenes wrote:
Internet and Webcasting $32,300
Web Hosting $39,100
Wow. I pay $599.40 per year for FIOS internet, and I host 16 websites for $119.40 per year total cost.
I would suggest that Mr. Schulz may have a financial interest in the company that provides his Internet and web services.
(...sound of Bob Schulz whistling grows even louder.....)
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A few nitpicking comments about the 990:

1. Part IV, line 55a, shows $38,140 in depreciable property. What the hell is that? Did he buy himself a car? There's no way he could have spent $38,000 on computer equipment or software.

2. The address for the foundation is Schulz's home in Queensbury, NY. And Part II, line 36, shows a $1,180 expense for "occupancy." And yet Schedule A, Part III, line 2.c says that the organization did not engage in the "furnishing of goods, services, or facilities" with any director.

3. Part V-A requires the name of "each person who was an officer, director, trustee, or key employee at any time during the year even if they were not compensated" and only two names are shown. But I believe that NY, like other states, requires three directors.

4. I don't understand Part III, line b. One of the "statement of program service accomplishments is "legal assistance with redress of grievance items" which lists expenses of $36,565. But total legal fees in the previous Part II, line 32, was only $19,258. So where did the $36,565 come from?

5. Part VII, line 103c, reports a $10,000 gain on "sale of property." What property? And how did the gain happen to be exactly $10,000?

6. In order to explain the relationship between the income reported on Part VII, column E, Part VIII says "See statement 7" [sic]. Statement 8 [!] says that line 103B is "final payments on donated land." What the hell does that mean? And how is it relevant to the question?

6. Why isn't the return signed by the preparer? (Incidentally, a look at the preparer's website, http://www.dievendorf.com, uncovered nothing but information relating to individual income tax returns. Could this be their first 990?)
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Famspear wrote:
Imalawman wrote:Ok, so this is really strange. Lot of money to spend on web fees. Also, how does Schultz survive on 0 income from something he devoted 40hrs a week to?

Web hosting - 39,100.00
internet/webcasting 32,300.00
Website presentation of meetings and
discussions in keeping with the exempt purposes - 73,158.00
Robert Schultz salary - 0.00
Time devoted to Organization by Mr. Schultz - 40 hours a week.
Wow, good thing for Schulz that no U.S. government tax people monitor this web site.....
I stumbled onto something that suggests that the government is not oblivious to these numbers.

From page 8 of "Appellant's Emergency Motion for Injunctive Relief" filed in We The People, et al, v. United States, No. 05-5359 (D.C. Cir. 10/4/2006):
In addition, as the Declarations by Schulz and Dievendorf demonstrate, the IRS
is now conducting an examination of the Foundation for the express purpose of
gaining the identities of the providers of critical Internet and website related services
so that they too could be examined by the IRS.
(Emphasis in original.)

Dievendorf is the accountant who prepares the Forms 990, of course.

So (as of 18 months ago) the IRS was actually examining the books of the foundation, and looking to check to see what fees were actually being paid for Internet services.
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