Update from Von Nuthouse.

[Demosthenes]

Alert #19: June 20, 2008
Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters…
GREAT NEWS: The victims of the FBI Raid have filed a Rule 41(g) Motion for recovery of their property from the wrongful search and seizure! Let the fun begin!
Now, before I get into the meat of this rather extensive Alert, please do two things: 1) Read this whole Alert! It includes the Motion… the Tenth Anniversary… my retirement… things you may want to know about. 2) This is a very serious time for the Liberty Dollar. We really need your support, please. Our shopping cart had been dead since November and does not accept credit/debit cards. Liberty Dollar's survival is in critical condition. Please support this effort by mailing in an order, making a contribution to the Contingency Club or just sending in a donation or all three! Now here's the news:
I! am very pleased to inform you that a representative group of twelve victims (hereinafter Plaintiffs) having not received a reply to their Demand Letter have filed a Rule 41(g) Motion in Federal District Court in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho for the return of their property that was represented by either paper and/or digital warehouse receipts. They are proud to proclaim, "We are not going to let the G-boys steal our gold and silver." In fact, while I have been unusually quiet for over a month, I have actually been diligently working with the plaintiff on Rule 41(g) Motion that was filed on June 17, 2008. Let the fun begin!! Please click HERE for the Demand Letter, the Rule 41(g) Motion and all the Exhibits.
Please note this Motion was filed on paper so it won't appear in Pacer so you will not be able to look up the case in Pacer. So please note the link above to all the docs.
Now begins the long and difficult task for the return of $3.5 million in gold and silver that was wrongfully seized. If you have paper or digital Liberty Dollars and have not signed up for the "Class Action Lawsuit," shame on you! Please click HERE and take action now. Do not let the government steal your property! Then write to Assistant US Attorney Thomas Ascik, as noted below.
I am proud of the thousands who have taken action. Thank you! And a very special thanks to our attorney Robert J. Stientjes of St. Louis and the Contingency Club for making this Motion possible. Robert Stientjes is a dedicated, experienced and successful attorney who is well prepared to recover all the seized material. The Contingency Club consists of Liberty Dollar supporters who are financing the Rule 41(g) Motion and will double their money when we win!
Retaining an attorney was particularly difficult because all of Liberty Dollar's money was confiscated, aka "economic persecution." And, of course, attorneys want to be paid, just as we all do. So my situation was: 1) The government confiscated of all my money. 2) The people whose material was wrongfully seized were short on money. 3) And attorney's usual contingency fee of 33% meant everybody would lose a third of their property, just to force the government to return the other two-thirds from the wrongful seizure. This just seemed too costly.
So I created the Contingency Club and designed a new financing plan to pay for the recovery and save everybody who have paper and digital warehouse receipts a lot of money.
The best estimated cost to recover the material was approximately 10%. So I offered a few people the opportunity to double their money by financing the attorney fees. I was very pleased that a reasonable number of people responded immediately and the Contingency Club was formed. As t! he individual members of the Contingency Club are not oblig! ated to pay the attorney fees, I hope you will join the Contingency Club and help us shoulder this formable expense and DOUBLE YOUR MONEY with a contribution.
The Contingency Club works like this: I have guaranteed the attorney's hourly rate to recover your property for only a 10% duty on all returned material verses the usual 33% contingency fee. A savings of 23% on your property! Plus you can even recover that 10% or more when you double your money by contributing to the Contingency Club to finance the court battle over Rule 41(g) Motion.
Here is how you can double your money. Contingent upon winning the case (that looks extremely good given our extensive legal research) and securing the return of all the material, the Contingency Club will: 1) Pay you two dollars for every dollar you contribute if the attorney fees are less than $150,000; 2) Return your original contribution plus 50% if the attorney fees are between $150,000 and $300,000; 3) No contribution will be returned if the attorney is paid over $300,000 or if we lose. Neither is very likely.
Bottom line is that you should get your property back for only a 10% duty by weight. Which most likely will be more than offset by a 10% appreciation in the value of silver. But we need your help to cover the attorney fees, please.
Minimum contribution to the Contingency Club is $100. Please make your check payable to "Burk & Reedy," the law firm that is handling the Contingency Club bank account and mail it to the Office in Evansville. We will forward it to Burk and Reedy and send a confirmation and acceptance of your contribution within ten days. Please note more than one contribution may be placed, such as $100 per month, and this "Double Your Money" offer may be withdrawn if over subscribed.
PLEASE NOTE: Thank you if you made an earlier donation to the "Legal Defense Fund," but that money was used on earlier legal issues and is not part of the Contingency Club. If you want to participate in the Contingency Club, please send in your contribution to the Evansville office with the check made out to: "Burk and Reedy" please. Thank you for all your support!
NOW: And if you have not signed up for the Class Action Lawsuit please click HERE to do so. PLEASE don't let the government steal your property!
Have you written to Assistant US Attorney Thomas Ascik? I certainly hope so! If you have any paper or digital warehouse receipts, then please send the sample letter (at the end of this Alert) to Mr. Ascik and identify yourself as an interested party and ask him to put you on the government List Serve so they have to notify you before they take any action to forfeit/auction your property. PLEASE don't let the government steal your property!
Your letters to Mr. Ascik are working! He has actually returned phone calls and stayed any auction of the seized material. Thank you for sending a letter.
If you want to be real active, please send this request and sample letter to everybody on your email list and ask them to write Mr. Ascik also, provided they have some paper or digital Liberty Dollars. This is the type of Internet action that is so devilishly effective! Please take action today! Help get your property back. Mr. Ascik needs to hear from as many people as possible!
OLD ORDERS…
Questions & Inquiries… The Office has received several calls regarding orders placed before the Raid. And questions about how can we take new orders when we haven't even filled the earlier orders? First, I would like to do nothing more than fill your order. But the material for your order was seized. I simply do not have the material to fill your order. The government has it and you should writ! e to Assistant US Attorney Thomas Ascik and demand the retu! rn of yo ur property. Second, I cannot return your money because the government also confiscated that. Third, all new products have been from 1) donations, 2) financed by loans to Liberty Dollar, or 3) were financed by pre-paid new orders. I can well understand your frustration of placing an order and not receiving it. We will be most happy to fill all orders or return your money when the funds and material are returned to us.
Pre-Move Up Orders: I am pleased to inform you that all orders placed before the Move Up to the $50 Silver Base have been filled.
Re-minting Orders: I am even more pleased to inform you that all stock for the Re-minting Orders has been placed. Now it is just a matter of time… unfortunately… a lot of time. Due to the surge in silver prices, the supply "tube" was exhausted of all existing manufactured silver. The Mint has informed us it will be six to eight weeks until the blanks are available… then minting and shipping. We are waiting just like you and understand your concern. We will ship all the Re-mining Orders asap. Please be patient because it is going to take some time.
Meanwhile, talking heads like Jason Hommel, are stirring things up. There is no actual "shortage" of silver at this time. There is only a shortage of manufactured silver. That is a huge difference and the topic of much misdirected communication.
NEW LIBERTY DOLLARS:
Use the following Order Form.
Announcing the Tenth Anniversary!
It is a testament to your desire to have Real Money that the Liberty Dollar has survived two Move Ups from the initial $10 to the $20 and now at the $50 Silver Base, the US Mint warning, FBI Raid and ten years of monetary ignorance. We feel like celebrating and hope you will join us! T-shirts, Money Bags, sets and even Uncut Proof Sheets… all are a testament to the largest effort to return America to value - one dollar at a time. Thanks a million times for all your support!
Tenth Anniversary Orders: With fewer orders, we have turned our efforts to celebrate the Tenth Anniversary of the Liberty Dollar in grand style. But unfortunately our shopping cart still does not accept credit/debit cards!!! This makes it extremely difficult to order, as you must mail in your order with a check or money order. Then it takes us about ten minutes to enter each order… all this is extremely time consuming and trying. But that is the situation under this government…
The top of the line of incredible Tenth Anniversary commemorative is the Tenth Anniversary Set of four Silver Libertys in a special Lucite holder in a special imprinted box and our very first Certificate of Authenticity! You gotta see this item…. So click HERE! In fact, we did something similar for the Fifth Anniversary with three Libertys… and I bet you have never seen it. I bet you have not even heard about it. To the best of my knowledge, I don't think one has ever traded on eBay! They are that special and likewise the Tenth Anniversary Set will be equally special. Please click HERE to see this truly amazing showstopper.
But wait! This Tenth Anniversary Set with four Silver Libertys is available in two numbered editions. Both Editions are packaged in a custom stamped box with the certificate and hand numbered on the one ounce $50 Liberty. Plus each is individually hallmarked with a new "USA" stamp in the shape of the country. Click HERE for more detailed photos. But that is not all. The First 100 Edition, numbered 001 to 100, will be marke! d with FDI on the package and certificate for "First D! ay of Is sue" for an added premium. The second edition sets, numbered 101 forward, will be marked LNE for the "Limited Numbered Edition" on the package and certificates.
Pre-anniversary prices at current LOW silver rates (below $25/oz) are: FDI is $179 for Associates and $199 for non-Associates. LNE is $159 for Associates and $179 for non-Associates. Prices will change with the silver market and will definitely be raised after October 1, our Tenth Anniversary. And if I am arrested or Liberty Dollar is closed, the prices will be out of this world and only available on eBay.
The most unique Commemorative is without a doubt the Uncut Sheet of four $50 Certificates that were originally printed to commemorate the Liberty Dollar's Fifth Anniversary in 2003. Did you get any of the 2003 Proof $50 Certificates? They are still hot on eBay! But these had a small printing error so they were put away and forgotten… until ! after the Raid. While digging around we found this old box... and what a treasure! Now, the long displaced Uncut Sheets have been overprinted in wonderful two-tone engraving script to commemorate our Tenth Anniversary. Each sheet is 100% cotton banknote paper and has the original invisible DNA "thread," and while you cannot see it on the printed Certificate area, by tilting the paper just so, you can see the welt of a duplicate "thread" from the impregnation of the DNA in the paper to the right that is now overprinted. Plus each sheet was originally printed on both sides and is now individually numbered and signed by me. This specimen measures a huge 12-1/2 inches left to right by 12 inches tall. Please note the Certificates are not serial numbered but they are individually printed OCTOBER 1, 1998 - 2003. This is truly a unique item. We only have 500 of them… so order early as I am sure all will be gone by Octob! er 1. Very special - pre-anniversary giveaway price of only $5! 9 eac h. Sorry, there is no Associate rate on this very unique item. Click HERE to view this item.
Hallmarked $50 Libertys: Also available is the $50 Silver Liberty with the special "USA" Hallmark. This is a single item that has been "cherry picked" and packaged in a capsule. Please note that each one is individually hand hallmarked, so each one is unique. The hallmark may not be complete as each one is different due to the nature of a hand stamped hallmark. Pre-anniversary Associate rate is $45… that's under face value! Non-associate rate is $65. All prices will increase after October 1, regardless of silver price. See it HERE.
Tenth Anniversary T-shirt is also available. Of course it features the new $50 Silver Libe! rty on the back with the proud caption: LIBERTY DOLLAR IS NOT A CRIME. The white, 100% cotton shirts are available in M, L, and XL for $12 each.
$5000 Money Bag: Did you get any of the $1000 bags we did for the Fifth Anniversary? The new Money Bag is dated 1998-2008 and printed with $5000 LIBERTY DOLLARS as each bag holds 100 Silver Libertys and that is now $5000!!! Nice to see the value of our money go up in value, eh?! Canvas Money Bags are only $5.00 each. Great item for your Liberty Dollar collection and your children! This item can be viewed HERE.
And don't forget about the new 2008 $50 Base brochure, still below cost at only a dime each. And weekly gold sales are continuing too. Just call the office to order the new quarter ounce $500 Gold Liberty.
All the above mentioned items can be ordered using the following Order ! Form .
The Four Gallons for a Buck has been captured on YouTube… check it out at:
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=% ... ient&hl=en#
Spent two Twenties in past week: Of course the new $50 Silver base Libertys in $50s, $20s, $10s and soon the $5s are out there and being used. Ray Ubinger filed these Success Stories of his recent use: One for a Red Bull at a gas station in Virginia and one for a Dilly Bar at a Dairy Queen in North Carolina. As always he didn't said anything misleading or duck any questions.
"At the Red Bull I asked, 'Do you take silver Liberty Dollars?' as I handed her the round. The clerk at first said 'Sure!' but then on looking the round over said she d! idn't know so she'd check with the manager, who was 20 feet away. I waited silently in place. I saw the manager handle the round and heard him ask the clerk, 'How many does he want to use?' 'Just this one," said the clerk. The manager then said okay. He never talked directly to me himself. Gave LD$20, got Red Bull + US$17 in change.
"For the Dilly Bar I led with, 'Would you prefer government paper or actual silver?' as I put both an LD Twenty and an FRN Five down next to each other. The clerk asked of the silver, 'Is it real?' I said yes, it's real silver, two-fifths of an ounce, 99.9% pure, in Brilliant Uncirculated condition. He said he was going to buy it right out of the register after the transaction. He asked where I got it, was it from a bank? I said no, it came from a currency exchange online. 'Cool,' he said. That was that. Gave LD$20, got Dilly Bar + US$18 in change."
Editor note: Right on Ray! It is good ! dedicated people like you who are lighting the way for our ! country to find its way back to value. BIG Thanks for your support and efforts!!!
Retirement and Annual National Tour: As I have mentioned several times, I agreed to give the Liberty Dollar my time and money for ten years. I have decided to keep to that schedule and will retire on October 1. Of course I remain responsible to resolve all the legality issues but I will not wait to find someone to take my place. I must remain true to other projects that require my time. So this year's tenth Annual National Tour (ANT) will be my last tour. And with gas and hotels at an all-time high, I am sure it will be the most expensive tour. So this is a good time to offer me a free meal and a place to stay. This year's ANT will start on July 9th. The basic route is from Miami, to Maine, San Diego, Vancouver and back to Miami with two stops in Evansville and hopefully down to Texas. If you want me to visit, please send an email to me. No newbies, please. This is for seasoned supporters only as my schedule is already MAXXED… Hope to see you. It's been a terrific TEN YEARS!
Slowest & Lowest Period:
Jonathan Kosares and Randal Strauss of Centennial Precious Metals in Denver demonstrate that buying gold during the summer doldrums has been a winning trade for each of the last seven years, averaging a gain of nearly 13 percent in about six months.
You can find the Kosares-Strauss analysis, headlined "Seasonal Price Trends Look Favorably on Summer Purchases," at Centennial's site: http://www.usagold.com/analysis/doldrums-2008.html
So now as we enter the summer months and the living is easy… and gold and silver are usually at their lowest, I urge you to take action. When we launched the Liberty Dollar ten years ago, the most popular question was, "Why should I pay twi! ce the price for silver?" Of course very few people ever ! exchange d at face value. The brave souls who stepped up to the Liberty Dollar usually paid $6.50 or $7.50 depending on quantity. Recently that very same 1999 Liberty Type 2 went for $1000 on eBay! Don't be deceived by the likes of Lew Rockwell, Mark Skousen, Bill Bonner, et al anti-Liberty Dollar gang. The Liberty Dollar offers the most serious solution to the hyperinflationary depression this country is rushing toward. Please read this article and then protect yourself and those you love with gold and silver at low summer prices.
PS: Numerous people have jumped into the fray to get their silver back. Jerry Collette is perusing the silver on Constitutional grounds. More info on his effort can be found at: http://www.libertarianlegal.org/recover_rp_dollars.html. Robert Clarkson, who was also raided by A! gent Andy, Special FBI Agent for the Asheville NC office about two years ago, is also working to get his property back. Robert's site is: http://www.PatriotNetwork.info. We welcome any effort that you think will work. I personally think Robert Stientjes is on the right track. Please support the Contingency Club and make some money so everyone can get his or her property back.
Just imagine, in the last ten years the Liberty Dollar has appreciated 500%, from the $10 to the $50 Silver Base, while the US dollar has lost over 50%! Thank you for your patience and support of the Liberty Dollar that exemplifies the high ideas that our country was founded upon.
Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect / Editor
PS: It has been a wonderful ten years. I cannot express my sincere thanks for all that you have done. Thank you for reading the whole Alert. Thanks for caring. Bernard.
TAK! E ACTION: PLEASE SEND THIS SAMPLE LETTER TO YOUR EMAIL LIS! T AND TH E US ATTORNEY ASCIK:
Thomas Ascik, Esq.
Assistant United States Attorney
100 Otis Street
Ashville, NC 28801
Phone: 828.271.4661
Dear Mr. Ascik,
I understand that you are in charge of the forfeiture and auction of the material seized in the Liberty Dollar investigation.
Please know that I am a holder of Warehouse Receipts and/or electronic Liberty Dollars and you are in possession of my lawful property.
Please be informed that I am most definitely an interested party and hereby request that you keep me informed as to every step of the process to forfeit and auction any of the material seized as required by law regarding the Liberty Dollar investigation.
Therefore, I hereby request you add me to the government's "service list" for all pleadings and all other developments filed regarding Liberty Dollar forfeiture action.
I further demand you return all material sei! zed at Sunshine Mint immediately so I can redeem my Warehouse Receipts and/or electronic Liberty Dollars and enjoy my property.
Please confirm receipt of this letter.
Sincerely,
(your name AND address)
END OF SAMPLE LETTER
________________________________________

[grixit]

Heh. Gotta shear the sheep one more time before moving on to some other scam.

[Lambkin]

This one came from the original Paytriot manual:

this is a good time to offer me a free meal and a place to stay.

Hopefully Uncle Sam will find a bed for you and give you a PB&J and some beans.

[notorial dissent]

Summation of the whole long thing, I’m broke send me more money that you’ll never see back.

[Demosthenes]

He claims the evil gov has seized all of his assets. What's he going to retire on?

[Doktor Avalanche]

He claims the evil gov has seized all of his assets. What's he going to retire on?

I was going to say "Libbies" but the Feds snatched those, too.

[Famspear]

Here is how you can double your money. Contingent upon winning the case (that looks extremely good given our extensive legal research) and securing the return of all the material, the Contingency Club will: 1) Pay you two dollars for every dollar you contribute if the attorney fees are less than $150,000; 2) Return your original contribution plus 50% if the attorney fees are between $150,000 and $300,000; 3) No contribution will be returned if the attorney is paid over $300,000 or if we lose

Hey, I read somewhere on the internet that Federal Reserve notes are worthless! So, ya think he'll mind if I just send him a "bill of exchange"? With all the fancy software products available now, it ought to be easy to print one of those on my computer. Then he can use it to draw on my "secret U.S. Treasury account" -- the one that was set up for me, just like for every other American.

In fact (hint-hint), if he has any of those worthless Federal Reserve notes lyin' around, he can just send 'em to me as a non-taxable gift. I'd be doin' him a favor by takin' that worthless paper off his hands.

[LPC]

The victims of the FBI Raid have filed a Rule 41(g) Motion for recovery of their property from the wrongful search and seizure! Let the fun begin!

Yep. Nothing is more fun than a Rule 41(g) motion. It's a barrel of laughs.

This is a very serious time for the Liberty Dollar. We really need your support, please. Our shopping cart had been dead since November and does not accept credit/debit cards. Liberty Dollar's survival is in critical condition.

Wait a minute. I thought the coins I bought were "real money" that would protect me against government policies that create inflation. Now you're telling me that the coins I bought only have value while you are in business?

Please note this Motion was filed on paper so it won't appear in Pacer so you will not be able to look up the case in Pacer.

It's a real case but it's not on PACER because the government doesn't own a scanner?

Here is how you can double your money. Contingent upon winning the case (that looks extremely good given our extensive legal research) and securing the return of all the material, the Contingency Club will: 1) Pay you two dollars for every dollar you contribute if the attorney fees are less than $150,000; 2) Return your original contribution plus 50% if the attorney fees are between $150,000 and $300,000; 3) No contribution will be returned if the attorney is paid over $300,000 or if we lose.

Wow! A modern day example of champerty! Who said that the common law was dead?

Minimum contribution to the Contingency Club is $100. Please make your check payable to "Burk & Reedy," the law firm that is handling the Contingency Club bank account and mail it to the Office in Evansville.

Burk & Reedy is a firm of only 5 lawyers, and claims offices in Washington DC and Newport Beach CA. James E. Burk, whose name appears as attorney for VonNuthouse, is a member of the bars of both DC and Texas (but not Indiana).

Anyone know if there are ethical problems for lawyers facilitating champerty?

[Demosthenes]

The motions and such:

http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/lawsuit.htm

[.]

Ray Ubinger filed these Success Stories of his recent use:

[snip]

"At the Red Bull I asked, 'Do you take silver Liberty Dollars?' as I handed her the round. The clerk at first said 'Sure!' but then on looking the round over said she didn't know so she'd check with the manager, who was 20 feet away. I waited silently in place. I saw the manager handle the round and heard him ask the clerk, 'How many does he want to use?' 'Just this one," said the clerk. The manager then said okay. He never talked directly to me himself. Gave LD$20, got Red Bull + US$17 in change.

"For the Dilly Bar I led with, 'Would you prefer government paper or actual silver?' as I put both an LD Twenty and an FRN Five down next to each other. The clerk asked of the silver, 'Is it real?' I said yes, it's real silver, two-fifths of an ounce, 99.9% pure, in Brilliant Uncirculated condition. He said he was going to buy it right out of the register after the transaction. He asked where I got it, was it from a bank? I said no, it came from a currency exchange online. 'Cool,' he said. That was that. Gave LD$20, got Dilly Bar + US$18 in change."

That's very nice of ol' Ray to admit to committing a federal crime more than once.

18 USC 486

Whoever, except as authorized by law, makes or utters or passes, or attempts to utter or pass, any coins of gold or silver or other metal, or alloys of metals, intended for use as current money, whether in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Not surprisingly, the feds don't seem to care how much change you received.

Also of no consequence to the reality of committing federal felonies is the fact that 2/5ths of an ounce of silver is currently worth about $7. Of course, a minor detail like that wouldn't prevent this moron from fobbing off Liberty "Dollars" at "face value" of $20 as if it were legal tender.

Further indicating what a liar this guy is, and of no import to his criminal jeopardy for passing bogus coins is the fact that it ain't "Brilliant Uncirculated" if it came out of your pocket. BU is a very specific numismatic coin grade and pocket change doesn't qualify. The guy is a liar on all levels.

Ol' Ray coughed up about $14 worth of fraudulent coinage and pocketed $35, a Red Bull and a Dilly bar. I wonder if he thinks his fraudulent "profit" of about $25 is worth a potential 5 years per count in the slammer.

The Secret Service might. Do they like Dilly bars?

[Demosthenes]

Alert #20: July 1st, 2008

Unfortunately, out of the blue… the US government aka the DOJ lobbed a bomb (in the form of a Complaint) against the Liberty Dollar's seized property last Thursday, June 29. The civil forfeiture complaint, filed in the US District Court in Asheville NC, definitely moves your gold and silver closer to auction and the outright theft of your legal property. Fortunately, in a bizarre move, it was stayed for six months pending the ongoing criminal investigation by the FBI. Go figure.

Please click HERE to read the whole 52 page Complaint and TAKE ACTION BELOW!
Of course, nobody outside of government wants the DOJ to steal your $3.5 million Liberty Dollars in gold and silver. And a good number, almost 5,000 have signed up for the Class Acti! on Lawsuit. But I would like to get "5,000 people involved"… so I am giving all late comers 48 hours… until 7:00 PM EDT on Wednesday… to add your name to the list.

Want to get your name in history? Well the attorney has agreed to include everybody's name in our response. That's right, we are going to list all the names in what might be the largest case in history. Please note this will NOT be a "Class Action Lawsuit" as that takes too much time and money. No, you will be personally represented by the attorney - if you sign up for the "Class Action Lawsuit" before 7:00 PM EDT on Wednesday.

Shortly after Wednesday, you will receive an "engagement letter" via email from the attorney. It will specify that you want him to represent you at no cost to you, except ten percent duty on all returned material. All you have to do is confirm your contact info, the approximate a! mount of paper and digital currency you wish to redeem, sig! n it and click send!
It can't get any easier, better or cheaper! Please send this Last Call to everybody on your email list. This is your opportunity to stand tall for your monetary values.

Click HERE to sign up… if you have not done so.

Thanks for your support. I will continue to keep you informed as the big case shapes up.
Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect / Editor

The DOJ Complaint and Letter:

http://www.libertydollar.org/legal/pdf/ ... eiture.pdf

[Imalawman]

Something about the way this attorney is handling this, doesn't sit right with me. Besides the overtones of champerty involved, it seems a bit shady.

[Judge Roy Bean]

What part of "...ongoing criminal investigation..." does he not understand?

[Dezcad]

Please note this will NOT be a "Class Action Lawsuit" as that takes too much time and money. No, you will be personally represented by the attorney - if you sign up for the "Class Action Lawsuit" before 7:00 PM EDT on Wednesday.

So, it is NOT a "Class Action Lawsuit" but you should sign up for the "Class Action Lawsuit"....sounds as clear as anything else Von Nuthouse says.

[The Observer]

But I would like to get "5,000 people involved"… so I am giving all late comers 48 hours… until 7:00 PM EDT on Wednesday… to add your name to the list.

Want to get your name in history?

I guess getting yourself involved in an ongoing criminal investigation could be described as getting "your name in history."

However, like all other tax protestor angles, this approach is aimed at attracting supporters by appealing to their narcissism as opposed to engendering support due to the facts and the law.

[grixit]

Unfortunately, out of the blue… the US government aka the DOJ lobbed a bomb (in the form of a Complaint) against the Liberty Dollar's seized property last Thursday, June 29.

Yeah, out of the blue. Thge same way a giant boulder smashing into your castle is "out of the blue" after you've been watching the catapult being set up over the course of weeks; always assuring your followers that it's a bluff.

[The Observer]

Unfortunately, out of the blue… the US government aka the DOJ lobbed a bomb (in the form of a Complaint) against the Liberty Dollar's seized property last Thursday, June 29.

Yeah, out of the blue. Thge same way a giant boulder smashing into your castle is "out of the blue" after you've been watching the catapult being set up over the course of weeks; always assuring your followers that it's a bluff.

Ever get the feeling, grixit, that most of these TPs are victims of playing interminable sessions of Dungeons and Dragons with the dungeon master from hell? You know, those DMs who loved nothing better than just rolling dice behind the screen and announcing bolts out of the blue? And now these TPs have a warped sense of what cause and effect is really all about?

[grixit]

No, they're more like the inattentive players who refuse to pick up clue after clue until i'm tempted to have their next encounter be a horde of berserk billboards. I once ran one game where the party leader was determined to clean out a bandit lair. The first 4 doors they broke through were booby trapped. When they got to the 5th door the leader ignored everyone's warnings and said there was no way it would be another booby trap. One crossbow bolt later, and he was out of hit points.

[The Observer]

When they got to the 5th door the leader ignored everyone's warnings and said there was no way it would be another booby trap. One crossbow bolt later, and he was out of hit points.

But see? It was another bolt out of the blue (at least from his perspective)! That event right there probably sent that player well along the path to TPhood.