Liberty Dollar Update

[Nikki]

Darkest:

How can a money supply -- fixed on the basis of gold, silver, rare stones, whatever -- accomodate a growing economy and a growing population where there is a constant need for more jobs and more goods and services?

[LPC]

I tried twice splitting this topic and moving the old stuff over to R&R, and screwed it up both times, so I'm giving up now.

[webhick]

I tried twice splitting this topic and moving the old stuff over to R&R, and screwed it up both times, so I'm giving up now.

I'm beginning to think that it might be worthwhile to start some threads with no real content so mods can get used to the splitting feature.

Actually, on second thought. A "practice" section only visible to mods would be better because it wouldn't get cached.

[The Observer]

I tried twice splitting this topic and moving the old stuff over to R&R, and screwed it up both times, so I'm giving up now.

I'm beginning to think that it might be worthwhile to start some threads with no real content so mods can get used to the splitting feature.

Actually, on second thought. A "practice" section only visible to mods would be better because it wouldn't get cached.

Actually, on third thought, wouldn't we fare better if the mods could get practice on splitting the dimwitted trolls themselves and then trying to reassemble them?

[webhick]

Actually, on third thought, wouldn't we fare better if the mods could get practice on splitting the dimwitted trolls themselves and then trying to reassemble them?

Won't work. There'll always be extra parts after reassembly.

[The Operative]

Actually, on third thought, wouldn't we fare better if the mods could get practice on splitting the dimwitted trolls themselves and then trying to reassemble them?

Won't work. There'll always be extra parts after reassembly.

But dimwitted trolls don't use all of their parts, so it shouldn't matter. Just toss the extra parts out with the rest of the garbage.

[wserra]

But dimwitted trolls don't use all of their parts, so it shouldn't matter. Just toss the extra parts out with the rest of the garbage.

HAZMAT regs don't permit that. It must go to Yucca Mountain.

[Evil Squirrel Overlord]

But dimwitted trolls don't use all of their parts, so it shouldn't matter. Just toss the extra parts out with the rest of the garbage.

HAZMAT regs don't permit that. It must go to Yucca Mountain.

Did they finally open that place?

[wserra]

HAZMAT regs don't permit that. It must go to Yucca Mountain.

Did they finally open that place?

It's actually been open for a while. Not for spent reactor fuel, of course. We've kept that tied up, what with the seeds of doubt we planted over leaking waste, supposedly fraudulent geological studies, NIMBY local transport gripes, and third-party legal challenges. That was the idea from the beginning. Why should we spend Illuminati money on a sizeable project like this when it was a simple matter to get Congress to do it, then prevent it from being used for what they intended?

We use it for troll parts.

[Mr. Mephistopheles]

Actually, on third thought, wouldn't we fare better if the mods could get practice on splitting the dimwitted trolls themselves and then trying to reassemble them?

Won't work. There'll always be extra parts after reassembly.

Have you ever tried sewing the extra troll parts up in a voodoo doll?

[Demosthenes]

Alert #22: August 11, 2008
Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:
Thank you for the donations and orders. It is great to have your support!
I am very pleased that the Liberty Dollar is back with an amazing new issue!!
Announcing the new $1 Peace Dollar: Shortly after the FBI raid on the peaceful Liberty Dollar organization, a small group of dedicated supporters banded together to make one last stand for liberty before this country's monetary system collapses into totalitarianism - a political regime based on subordination of the individual to the state with strict control of all aspects of one's life by coercive measures including wire taps and torture. Sound familiar?! The supporters saw what was happening and had an incredible idea. They wanted to make one last issue in face of the mounting fascist government. One last stand for liberty and the people's right not to be defrauded by depreciating fiat government crap aka money.
Something to spark the rebirth of the Liberty Dollar and the noble ideals it represents. Something that everybody could afford. Something… Something… Something… but what?! Plus they demanded it be something that would deliver maximum impact and make a maximum statement.
This band of idealistic 'monetary guerrillas' saw the window of opportunity for the country and their secret project was small and closing rapidly. Metal prices were skyrocketing. They knew they had to act quickly. And they did. Now after more than a half a year, I can disclose that a new $1 Peace Dollar is now available! And I mean, available, RIGHT NOW! We have already taken delivery!
So will this be our last issue or only the last copper issue? That is hard to determine. Only time will tell. This is certainly a great opportunity to get a very special iss! ue and help save the Liberty Dollar. So you are invited&hellip! ; hel l, you are even urged to place your order now… right now! Due to our concern for another raid, I will not disclose how many $1 Peace Dollars are available. But we took delivery of thousands! Enough to make a statement and a stand for a value based currency.
As you can imagine, after the FBI raid on the Ron Paul Dollar, there is a certain amount of mistrust having thousands of politically sensitive Peace Dollars in any one location. Even if it is protected by the First Amendment! So the new $1 Peace Dollar has been stored in several secret locations to protect it from another fascist seizure and further frustrate those wrong headed little G-boys! The Liberty Dollar will not go down without this one last issue.
Here are the pertinent facts:
1. This is NOT the Peace Dollar that was on order at the time of the Raid. That Peace Dollar h! ad STOP THE WAR on the reverse. This new Peace Dollar features the positive message and a tribute to John Lennon: GIVE PEACE A CHANCE. All previous Peace Dollar orders remain "pending" until the little issue with the Raid is resolved.
2. All $1 Peace Dollars are minted in one ounce of pure copper. It is reeded and measures 39 mm in diameter, the same size as the one ounce $50 Silver Liberty. We wouldn't want any confusion with the US Mint money! The obverse features Ms. Liberty with PEACE in place of LIBERTY and is dated 2008. Click HERE for images and to order now.
3. This is "fund raiser" will certainly be worth more money on eBay, just as the hotly auctioned half ounce silver $10 Peace Dollar continues to move on eBay at $150 to $250 each!!! History may well record this issue as one of the best buys, as there is a very limited number ! and they are less than a buck! How can you go wrong?
4. In a ddition to the General Issue, there are two very special Peace Dollar editions available: As the iconic Peace Symbol was omitted in the design, we have Hallmarked special Peace Dollars with the Peace Symbol. There are only 300 specially Hallmarked Peace Dollars at $5.00 each. Every one has been specially "cherry picked", cleaned and hand hallmarked so you will get the best-looking specimen. Just remember that as all are hand hallmarked, there will be some variety in the actually hallmark. Orders for such a unique item are limited to three per order. Click HERE to order.
5. The second very special Peace Dollar is a Limited Numbered Edition. There are only 400 of these and the first 100 were awarded to the people behind this courageous project. So only 300 are available. Each one has also been especially "cherry picked", cleaned and individually hand numbered by me and hallmarked with the Peace Symbol for only $9.00 each. This item will certainly be the hottest item as soon as it sells out. Limit 3 per order, please. Click HERE to order now.
Please Order Now: Please give this new Peace Dollar a chance as Liberty Associates can get the one ounce copper $1 Peace Dollar for only $0.90 each on the first 10,000 Dollars! After that the Liberty Associate rate will be Face Value. So please order now! The minimum LA order is ten and a maximum order is 100. If we don't sell out… we will make the balance available on a first come first serve basis at Face Value. Any order for less than 10 or for non-Liberty Associate (shame on you:) is Face Value plus minimum S&H.
Please click HERE to order online with our sole distributor, using your credit/debit card.
You can also place a phone order&hel! lip; if you can get through. Try 888.LIB.DOLLAR or 888.421.! 6181. Pl ease bear in mind that the office is seriously understaffed and overworked right now. Plus Rachelle is busy shipping $1 Peace Dollars so it is best to order on line, please.
Or the fastest place to order Peace Dollar is probably your friendly Regional Currency Officer (RCO) who still distributes the Liberty Dollar… And if your nearest RCO will not lock in an order, remember you can call any RCO. Click HERE for a complete list of all RCOs.
Though not recommended with only a few thousand pieces available… you can still mail in your order to: Liberty Dollar. 225 N. Stockwell Road. Evansville. IN. 47715. Remember to make the check out to "Liberty Dollar."
And if you are around Evansville… the office is still open for walk-in orders. But please don't engage the ladies too long. They are dedicated to shipping the $1 Peace Dollar ASAP. ! You might even offer your assistance, as I am sure they will need it. Plus its fun to be involved "on the inside" with such a special project.
Although this is our last copper Liberty Dollar, I pray it will not be our last issue. Hell, I pray that you will also order some $50 base Silver Libertys too… The $50, $20, $10 and $5 Silver Libertys are in stock and shipping now! Get them while you can. The third issue of Arrest Dollars - only available until I am arrested - are also available in the $50, $20, $10 and $5 denominations.
Legal Action DEADLINE:
This Thursday, August 14, we will file our Answer to the US Attorney's Complaint. An Alert will be sent to you as soon as it is available. I have never stopped working to have your property returned which will certainly continue after I retire. Trust me your property is extremely important to the Liberty Dollar and me.
We have redoubled our effo! rts to demand your wrongfully seized property be returned. ! This wil l not happen overnight. In fact, this will take some time, but it will happen so keep those Warehouse Receipts as I look forward to redeeming them!
Class Action Lawsuit:
Please be aware that our legal action has changed several times as the government tries to define its ill-conceived case against the Liberty Dollar and your property. The Class Action Lawsuit (CAL) has been delayed due to the recent filing by the Assistant US Attorney. But you are still strongly encouraged to sign up for the CAL. In fact there will be much fun to be had shortly. You have until the government moves their case forward, so please sign up NOW.
National Public Radio (NPR) featured an interesting spoof titled: "The New Counterfeit Money" by the Bryant Park Project. At first you are lead to believe it is about the Liberty Dollar that it mentions. But soon the spoof becomes clear as Bryant Park discloses that he just made his own ! "counterfeit money." Available at: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... 71&sc=emaf
Are you one of the thousands of monetary supporters who continue to use the Liberty Dollar? Charles Hampe, the RCO in New Hampshire, filed this report in reply to an inquiry:
Mike: Just use the Liberty Dollars. I would hope you are already an Associate and get a discount on your ALDs. Now just spend them. You will get into a lot of great conversations and will be spreading the word as well as the silver. I do not spend any time arguing with people who are stubbornly resistant. Better to concentrate on folks who are already a little suspicious of the "big brother" government money scat. An increasing number of them around.
Recently, I was driving through Northern NJ an! d found GREAT acceptance. The store at the service plaza ! at the n orthern end of the NJ turnpike accepted several while I was there. The first time the clerk checked with the manager, who said OK. On other later visits, there were no questions, just acceptance. I paid all my tolls going through New York with Libertys also.
Acceptance is off a little since the "move up" to the $50 Base, just like it was when it moved up to the $20 Base but not as much as you might think. The public does not generally follow precious metals prices. The main concept - that of using something with intrinsic value as money - has wide general appeal. Use your Libertys with confidence. Just be careful not to misrepresent them as legal tender or government money so you stay out of trouble.
You can do a lot more if you can enlist a few merchants to help distribute, and supply them with Liberty Dollars. At that point your money works for you and the time you put in per! Liberty Dollar becomes less. RCO status is a big help at this point as RCO pricing allows you to make maximum money while distributing to Merchants. Plus as a RCO you can make special deals with Associates and Merchants.
I say, "Screw the negativity". My advice is to move on quickly when you encounter resistance. Do not push. The Liberty Dollar is a little like religion. You either believe or you don't. Trying to convert a non-believer is difficult and frustrating. Spend your time with the believers and have more fun!
These are incredibly tough times for the Liberty Dollar. Your donations of any kind, contributions to the Contingency Club, and orders are gleefully accepted. Seriously, your support is urgently needed, please.
American should not be at war! Get a $1 Peace Dollar for less than a buck and make a statement: NO MORE WAR! Take a stand and offer the Peace Dollar ! where you shop. It's only a buck!
Thanks again for y! our rece nt support.
Bernard von NotHaus
Monetary Architect / Editor
PS: WARNING: Get ready! The recent attacks on our liberties is about to escalate… BIG TIME. As the government money collapses there will be all kinds of attacks. Get something you can barter ala the Liberty Dollar. Check the food you bought for Y2K. Buy a little extra ammo. Get ready in mind and body, as I fear we are headed into a dark and dangerous area: "The Great Default" looms. Good luck America.

[Imalawman]

I can't even bring myself to get past the first paragraph. ugh, what garbage.

[fortinbras]

2. All $1 Peace Dollars are minted in one ounce of pure copper. It is reeded and measures 39 mm in diameter, the same size as the one ounce $50 Silver Liberty. ....
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Please Order Now: Please give this new Peace Dollar a chance as Liberty Associates can get the one ounce copper $1 Peace Dollar for only $0.90 each on the first 10,000 Dollars! After that the Liberty Associate rate will be Face Value. So please order now!

Von NotHaus's Alert #22 is posted on the website -- but not so you can find it; go to Alert #21 and fiddle with the date in the URL.
http://www.libertydollar.org/ld/legal/r ... 1_2008.htm

Today's ticker puts the US market price of one ounce of copper at 21 cents. So Von NotHaus is once again charging people more than twice the intrinsic value of his funny money (now in fact nearly five times the intrinsic value). In fact, I think this time the disparity is greater than ever before. And, considering that it may be decades before copper is anywhere near $1 an ounce, his customers have absolutely no hope of making up their expenditure from collectors or coin shops.

[Burzmali]

Though, what do you think the odds are that he will ship a sizable number of those coins? If the FBI executes a second raid in the near future, those coins could be quite valuable to the private currencies collectors on e-bay.

[webhick]

Alert #22: August 11, 2008

Factor out the 8s, multiply the remaining 2 by the 11 and you get 22 - the Alert #. I think there's a hidden message in the alert, which is amplified by fortinbras' observation that the alert itself is hidden.

Thank you for the donations and orders. It is great to have your support!

The supporters must be masochists or something. Just last week he basically told them that they all sucked and when the LD fails it'll be their fault. But I guess he fell back in lurve with them this week. Ah, young lurve. So fickle, so scammy.

I am very pleased that the Liberty Dollar is back with an amazing new issue!!

We already know that it's not worth what people are paying for it, so how is this a "new" issue?

This band of idealistic 'monetary guerrillas' saw the window of opportunity for the country and their secret project was small and closing rapidly. Metal prices were skyrocketing. They knew they had to act quickly. And they did. Now after more than a half a year, I can disclose that a new $1 Peace Dollar is now available!

More than half a year is quickly and rapidly? I guess oncologists can feel comfortable saying that you'll just get a quick chemo treatment, when they really mean more than six rounds.

And I mean, available, RIGHT NOW! We have already taken delivery!

"YAHHHHHH!!! We have taken the deliveries! We're sticking it to Little Caesars! Stick that in your "pizza, pizza" and smoke it!"

Due to our concern for another raid, I will not disclose how many $1 Peace Dollars are available. But we took delivery of thousands! Enough to make a statement and a stand for a value based currency.

Wait a second, you "took delivery" for thousands, but they're not all available because you're afraid of another raid? Dude, you just admitted that you have thousands in your possession and the raid will take it regardless of whether or not it's "available". Unless of course you've hidden them someplace special - which I'm sure a cavity search will reveal.

As you can imagine, after the FBI raid on the Ron Paul Dollar,

You mean on Liberty Dollar. I don't think the Feds give a rats ass who's printed on your funny money.

there is a certain amount of mistrust having thousands of politically sensitive Peace Dollars in any one location. Even if it is protected by the First Amendment!

Wow, so if I kill someone by carving politically protected speech all over their body, the whole incident is protected by the First Amendment and they can't nab me for murder! That's some loophole you're trying to make people swallow.

So the new $1 Peace Dollar has been stored in several secret locations to protect it from another fascist seizure and further frustrate those wrong headed little G-boys!

While the Feds have been known behave as though their asses are screwed on backwards, I doubt they're stupid enough to be outsmarted by you. Why, I recall you had made a similar promise before the raids by reassuring everyone that their assets were safe from the government.

I have never stopped working to have your property returned which will certainly continue after I retire. Trust me your property is extremely important to the Liberty Dollar and me.

This says a lot to me. Either you don't think you're going to get the property back until long after you've retired (or never, actually), or you're going to retiring soon - and I'm going to guess and say that it'll be someplace without an extradition treaty. Thankfully, all those Liberty Dollars are going to come in handy wherever you're going since they either won't notice that it's not real American money or won't care because there's an ounce of silver in there somewhere.

We have redoubled our effo! rts to demand your wrongfully seized property be returned. !

But it was hopeless last week. What with no income and the attorney getting a cut rate.

keep those Warehouse Receipts as I look forward to redeeming them!

YOU look forward to redeeming them?

That's all I have the energy for now.

[fortinbras]

So the new $1 Peace Dollar has been stored in several secret locations to protect it from another fascist seizure and further frustrate those wrong headed little G-boys!

Which means, I think, that after you send in real money, when you don't get your 21¢ worth of copper, he'll tell you either (1) the FBI raided again and took all the copper dollars, or (2) the FBI is following him day and night so he doesn't dare to the warehouse to get the coins to send to you.

Or maybe I'm just overly suspicious.

[Evil Squirrel Overlord]

Alert #22: August 11, 2008
Dear Liberty Dollar Supporters:
Thank you for the donations and orders. It is great to have your support!
I am very pleased that the Liberty Dollar is back with an amazing new issue!!
Announcing the new $1 Peace Dollar: Shortly after the FBI raid on the peaceful Liberty Dollar organization, a small group of dedicated supporters banded together to make one last stand for liberty before this country's monetary system collapses into totalitarianism - a political regime based on subordination of the individual to the state with strict control of all aspects of one's life by coercive measures including wire taps and torture.

Ohh can I slide down that slippery slope too?

On a planet far away a young band of mavericks hold out against all hope.... This is their story.

Sound familiar?! The supporters saw what was happening and had an incredible idea. They wanted to make one last issue in face of the mounting fascist government. One last stand for liberty and the people's right not to be defrauded by depreciating fiat government crap aka money.

That's right don't be defrauded by the fascists when you can be defrauded by the con-man.

Something to spark the rebirth of the Liberty Dollar and the noble ideals it represents. Something that everybody could afford. Something… Something… Something… but what?!

Beenie Babies? 1-900-Dial-A-Woman?

This band of idealistic 'monetary guerrillas' saw the window of opportunity for the country and their secret project was small and closing rapidly. Metal prices were skyrocketing. They knew they had to act quickly. And they did. Now after more than a half a year, I can disclose that a new $1 Peace Dollar is now available! And I mean, available, RIGHT NOW! We have already taken delivery!

So you go Menards/Lowes to drop off some copper flashing?

As you can imagine, after the FBI raid on the Ron Paul Dollar, there is a certain amount of mistrust having thousands of politically sensitive Peace Dollars in any one location. Even if it is protected by the First Amendment! So the new $1 Peace Dollar has been stored in several secret locations to protect it from another fascist seizure and further frustrate those wrong headed little G-boys! The Liberty Dollar will not go down without this one last issue.

I will say this is concerning news. My Ron Paul Pog collection is in danger of being siezed by the FBI. Also, I didn't know hoards of metals were protected free speech... what decision was that? Dumb Ass vs the Illuminati or Dumb: Family Ass vs. Xenu.

Here are the pertinent facts:
1. This is NOT the Peace Dollar that was on order at the time of the Raid. That Peace Dollar h! ad STOP THE WAR on the reverse. This new Peace Dollar features the positive message and a tribute to John Lennon: GIVE PEACE A CHANCE. All previous Peace Dollar orders remain "pending" until the little issue with the Raid is resolved.

A.K.A. Evidence tampering will get me in bigger trouble.

2. All $1 Peace Dollars are minted in one ounce of pure copper. It is reeded and measures 39 mm in diameter, the same size as the one ounce $50 Silver Liberty. We wouldn't want any confusion with the US Mint money! The obverse features Ms. Liberty with PEACE in place of LIBERTY

Um that's Lady Liberty, Miss Jackson if you are nasty.

3. This is "fund raiser" will certainly be worth more money on eBay, just as the hotly auctioned half ounce silver $10 Peace Dollar continues to move on eBay at $150 to $250 each!!! History may well record this issue as one of the best buys, as there is a very limited number ! and they are less than a buck! How can you go wrong?

Funny, the ones I looked at last week were selling for $25-30. And I still thing Manhattan Island was one of history's best buys along with that insurance policy on Mrs. O'Leary's Barn.



Now for the best part!

I say, "Screw the negativity". My advice is to move on quickly when you encounter resistance. Do not push. The Liberty Dollar is a little like religion. You either believe or you don't. Trying to convert a non-believer is difficult and frustrating. Spend your time with the believers and have more fun!

This way you will not be arrested for trying to pass counterfit money! Also move on quickly when someone challenges your three card monte table.

Check the food you bought for Y2K. Buy a little extra ammo. Get ready in mind and body, as I fear we are headed into a dark and dangerous area: "The Great Default" looms. Good luck America.

No problem the pie filling cans in the bunker are bulging, meaning there is extra food for this patriot!

[Demosthenes]

"YAHHHHHH!!! We have taken the deliveries! We're sticking it to Little Caesars! Stick that in your "pizza, pizza" and smoke it!"

Most people have nice little electrons zipping tidily around their brains when they process information. Why do I get the feeling that Webhick's electrons are doing full body slams against each other while laughing demonically?

[webhick]

"YAHHHHHH!!! We have taken the deliveries! We're sticking it to Little Caesars! Stick that in your "pizza, pizza" and smoke it!"

Most people have nice little electrons zipping tidily around their brains when they process information. Why do I get the feeling that Webhick's electrons are doing full body slams against each other while laughing demonically?

I once accidentally knocked a hairdryer into the tub and it tickled my brain.

[Nikki]

"YAHHHHHH!!! We have taken the deliveries! We're sticking it to Little Caesars! Stick that in your "pizza, pizza" and smoke it!"

Most people have nice little electrons zipping tidily around their brains when they process information. Why do I get the feeling that Webhick's electrons are doing full body slams against each other while laughing demonically?

Electrons Webhick operates on tachyons -- enabling her to process information before it's received.