How the mighty have fallen

[Demosthenes]

Dear Subscriber,

This is a pathetic, one-time begging. I like to rant, and apparently some people like to read my rants. However, I also like to eat, have running water, etc. It cost me $170 a year--and I just got the latest bill--to have my two e-mail lists. (Incidentally, the service I use for that, http://www.mail-list.com, is really dang good, and I'd recommend it to anyone who wants a rant-list of their own.) These days, $170 is pretty much money to us, which is pretty sad.
No, I'm NOT going to start charging people to be on my list, but if each of you sent me a whole five CENTS, it would more than cover the bill to keep the lists alive. If no one sends anything, I'll pay it myself and keep on ranting anyway. I'll just be a little bit more broke while I do so. So if a few of you like my rants, and if you're feeling particularly generous and have a dollar or two to spare--and I mean LITERALLY a dollar or two--it would be a big help to Tessa and me. The best thing for such situations seems to be PayPal, so if you can send some electronic loose change to "cartoonlion@hushmail.com" it would be a big help. There, I'm done pitifully begging for this year.

Sincerely,


Larken Rose
http://www.larkenrose.com

I wonder why he doesn't use a free email list service instead.

[Judge Roy Bean]

....

I wonder why he doesn't use a free email list service instead.

Probably paranoia about who might be able to obtain it.

[Famspear]

Larken Rose wrote:

This is a pathetic, one-time begging. I like to rant, and apparently some people like to read my rants. However, I also like to eat, have running water, etc. It cost me $170 a year--and I just got the latest bill--to have my two e-mail lists. (Incidentally, the service I use for that, http://www.mail-list.com, is really dang good, and I'd recommend it to anyone who wants a rant-list of their own.) These days, $170 is pretty much money to us, which is pretty sad.
No, I'm NOT going to start charging people to be on my list, but if each of you sent me a whole five CENTS, it would more than cover the bill to keep the lists alive. If no one sends anything, I'll pay it myself and keep on ranting anyway. I'll just be a little bit more broke while I do so. So if a few of you like my rants, and if you're feeling particularly generous and have a dollar or two to spare--and I mean LITERALLY a dollar or two--it would be a big help to Tessa and me. The best thing for such situations seems to be PayPal, so if you can send some electronic loose change to "cartoonlion@hushmail.com" it would be a big help. There, I'm done pitifully begging for this year.

(bolding added).

Remember this?

A loony protester named Larken
To the genuine law would not harken.
Had he stayed on his toes,
He and sweet Tessa Rose
Could’ve spared themselves lives that were darkened.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2833

Here’s a new one:

A pitiful beggar named Larken
For some donated dollars is barkin’.
If the ranting would stop,
He might not be a flop --
He might find that his mind would be sharpened.

[wserra]

At some point Rosie was mighty? He hid it well.

[LPC]

When was Larken "mighty"?

"Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall" (Proverbs 16:18) might be appropriate.

Even more appropriate is that "a man's pride shall bring him low" (29:23) but it doesn't make quite as good a headline.

[Dezcad]

Dear Subscriber,

........to "cartoonlion@hushmail.com" it would be a big help.

Larken Rose

At least Larken has some self-awareness.

[Trippy]

It cost me $170 a year--and I just got the latest bill--to have my two e-mail lists.

{snip}

No, I'm NOT going to start charging people to be on my list, but if each of you sent me a whole five CENTS, it would more than cover the bill to keep the lists alive.

Larken actually believes he has 3,400 readers?!?!? (3400 x 0.05 = $170)

[The Observer]

It cost me $170 a year--and I just got the latest bill--to have my two e-mail lists.

{snip}

No, I'm NOT going to start charging people to be on my list, but if each of you sent me a whole five CENTS, it would more than cover the bill to keep the lists alive.

Larken actually believes he has 3,400 readers?!?!? (3400 x 0.05 = $170)

He would actually have to believe that he has far more readers, since past experience has taught him not everyone responds to the calls for money.

[.]

Or, he embraces a Van Peltian definition of "readers."

[LPC]

Dear Subscriber,

........to "cartoonlion@hushmail.com" it would be a big help.

Larken Rose

At least Larken has some self-awareness.

When he was posting to misc.taxes, he email address was (I kid you not) GrandDelusion@aol.com

[Dezcad]

Dear Subscriber,

........to "cartoonlion@hushmail.com" it would be a big help.

Larken Rose

At least Larken has some self-awareness.

When he was posting to misc.taxes, he email address was (I kid you not) GrandDelusion@aol.com

Into my day, you've brought enjoyment. Thanks, Dan

[Demosthenes]

New post from Larken:

Troubling Comments

Not long ago, I sent out a message titled "You Are the Militia,"
encouraging people to arm themselves. I said, more bluntly than many "gun rights" folks do, that I want you, the public, to have the ability to kill government agents, both military and police.
No, I wasn't telling you to go out and start gunning down feds (as my message also explained), but I firmly believe--as did the Founders--that the people should always retain the ability to forcibly resist their own government.

Well, the government folk who monitor what I do didn't really like that. (Of course, that doesn't surprise me. Tyrants prefer to be able to use violence whenever they want, without their victims having the means to resist.) So Floyd Miller at the DOJ wrote a letter to the U.S. Probation office, complaining about my message.

(As many of you will recall, this is the same Assistant U.S. Attorney who lied to the court, lied to the jury, and violated federal law, the Constitution, and DOJ policy, in order to get me convicted for a crime he knew I hadn't committed. The whole story, in all its gruesome detail, is found in my book, "Kicking the Dragon" ( http://www.kickingthedragon.com ), which I'm sure the DOJ is working on banning as we speak.)

Below is the text of Mr. Miller's letter to U.S. Probation. The comments inside brackets [like this] are mine.

- ----------< Begin Mr. Miller letter >------------

It is my understand that you are the probation officer who is supervising Larken Rose.

[Actually, I've been off of "supervised release" for almost a year.]

Mr. Rose was recently released from prison after serving time for a tax fraud conviction.

[First, it wasn't "recently"; it was almost two years ago. Second, this guy can't remember what he had me wrongfully imprisoned for.
It was misdemeanor willful failure to file, not tax evasion, and not any kind of fraud.]

I am sending you an e-mail which Mr. Rose recently posted on his website which, at a minimum, is troubling to say the least.

[First it was sent to my e-mail list, not posted on my web site. Second, of course it troubles fascists to think of having to oppress a populace that is armed.]

I am not certain whether the contents of the e-mail violate any of the terms and conditions of his supervised release.

[Even when I was on supervised release, there was no condition about "Don't say stuff we don't like," or anything else having to do with saying or writing anything.]

His comments clearly run afoul of civilized behavior.

[This from the guy who signed off on having a dozen Gestapo morons carry out an armed invasion of my home because I said things they didn't want people hearing. How "civilized" was that? Below are some more examples of comments from other people that Mr. Miller would no doubt think "run afoul of civilized behavior."]

If you confront Mr. Rose with this matter, he will probably cite his First Amendment Right to say whatever he pleases about the United States.

[If I was still on supervised release, I would.]

My concern is that other individuals who read his postings might be mentally unstable and decide to follow the suggestions of Mr. Rose.

[First of all, the only suggestion I made was to buy a rifle. I specifically explained that "I'm not telling you to go start gunning down feds." So far the only mentally unstable person I know of who misunderstood my suggestion was Mr. Miller. Second, my message in one place qualified my suggestion with "If you are mentally stable," and in another place said that I encouraged "all sane, responsible people" to be armed.]

For this reason, I write to memorialize this situation.

[Where will the statue be erected? This guy is the master at trying to use big words to sound educated, only to demonstrate how ignorant he is. I think he meant he wanted to make a record of my heretical comments, but that's not what "memorialize" means. (He's the same one who claimed, at my trial, that I thought I was the only one in "the continental United States" who understood the tax code. Huh?)]

Please consider whether this is a matter which should be brought to Judge Baylson's attention.

- ------< End of Mr. Miller letter >-------

There are so many issues this brings up, I hardly know where to begin.

First of all, the letter, and even the government monitoring of what I do, is absolutely and obviously intended to have a "chilling effect" on free speech--mine as well as yours. Tyrants know that they can silence a LOT of dissent without banning anything. A letter or a visit from a government thug, a thinly veiled threat of "legal" action, or even just letting people know that what they say and do is being watched by disapproving government eyes, makes a LOT of people choose to shut up, in order to avoid trouble for themselves. (As for me, I'm too dense to take the hint, so don't expect me to shut up any time soon.)

Peter Goldberger, the attorney who handled my sentencing and appeal, apparently didn't like Mr. Miller's little censorship attempt either, and decided to write him a letter. It's worth noting that Mr. Goldberger and I have differing views about lots of things, including the Second Amendment, but we agree that people with different views have the right to EXPRESS them. (Or, as Voltaire put it, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.") The following is the text of the letter that Mr. Goldberger sent to Mr. Miller:

- ------< Beginning of Mr. Goldberger letter >---------

Thank you for sending me a copy of your October 14 letter to U.S. Probation Officer George Reed concerning my client, Larken Rose.
Your "understanding" of this case is deeply flawed. Mr. Rose was not convicted of "tax fraud" but rather of misdemeanor failures to file returns. Nor was he "recently released from prison." His release from BOP custody occurred on December 29, 2006. His period of supervised release expired one year later.

Contrary to your unsubstantiated assertion, the e-mail you copied and enclosed was never "posted on his website." (The truth, as I'm sure you know, is that the IRS is "monitoring" Mr. Rose's communications, or at least some of them.) Your suggestion that his expression of his political and legal opinions might even conceivably "violate any of the terms and conditions of his supervised release"--even if he were presently under supervision-- and your further suggestion that the Probation Officer might "confront" him about his political writings are designed to achieve a "chilling effect" on that expression. As you should be aware, the First Amendment prohibits you from engaging in such conduct in your official capacity, even when you feel Mr. Rose's "comments" may "run afoul of civilized behavior." If some "mentally unstable" (or any other) person were to engage in illegal behavior, which you suggest is your sole "concern," that person can be held accountable. The First Amendment does not permit provocative (or even "troubling") writings to be suppressed because a reader might interpret (or misinterpret) them as calling for unlawful action.

The government's continued surreptitious monitoring of Mr. Rose violates his First Amendment right to express his opinions and conclusions--whether you and I agree with them or not. Even though such political surveillance by the Executive Branch has become all too common in the last eight years, it remains unconstitutional and un-American.

If you disagree with me on these important matters, I would be most interested to know the nature of and basis for that view.

- ------< End of Mr. Goldberger letter >---------

In addition to First Amendment issues, Mr. Miller's letter also brings to mind a bunch of philosophical issues relating to the Second Amendment.

Breaking the law is illegal. That's a truism. The government is never going to say that breaking the law, or resisting "law enforcers" is okay. And that is true no matter what "the law" is, be it laws against murder, laws enforcing slavery, or laws saying that all Jews have to get in the cattle cars to be shipped off to their deaths. (There is one noteworthy, really weird exception to be found in the New Hampshire state constitution, and a couple of others, which recognizes the "Right of Revolution"--the right of the people to resist oppressive government.)

MOST robberies, murders, and other assaults in history were "legal" (done by government agents), and therefore RESISTING them was, by definition, illegal. It was a CRIME to help a slave to escape; it was a CRIME to hide Jews from the Nazis; it was a crime to disobey the commands of the thugs of Stalin, Lenin, Mao, etc. And so, for much of history, the good people were often the "law-breakers," and the "law-enforcers" were often the bad guys. And that's why I always want the people to have the means to forcibly resist the government. And I'm not the only one who has ever thought so.

"The strongest reason for the people to retain their right to keep and bear arms is as a last resort to protect themselves against tyranny in government." [Thomas Jefferson]

I wonder if Floyd Miller thinks these words "clearly run afoul of civilized behavior."

"A people armed and free forms a barrier against the enterprises of ambition and is a bulwark for the nation against foreign invasion and domestic oppression." [James Madison]

I wonder if Mr. Miller would like to send a letter to the probation officer of the "Father of the Constitution" for making such a "troubling" comment.

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government." [Alexander Hamilton]

Someone ought to confront this guy about his extremist, inflammatory rhetoric. And this guy, too:

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." [George Washington] We can't allow talk like this! Something must be done!

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." [Patrick Henry]

Are these wackos suggesting that the common rabble should always retain the means to use violence against government agents? If we allow people to say this sort of thing, it might inspire some nutcase radicals to forcibly resist government! Oh, wait. It already DID inspire that. We now call it "The American Revolution."

As it happens, the JPFO just put out a great video about the Second Amendment, which can be found here:

http://www.jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/2a-today-download.htm



Larken Rose
http://www.larkenrose.com

Past articles can be found here:
http://www.rogershermansociety.org/articles.htm

(P.S. I have to wonder, since Floyd Miller is black, what he would think of someone a couple of hundred years ago advocating that slaves be armed, so that they could "illegally" win their freedom, by force if necessary. I'd be all for it. Would Mr. Miller advocate his own "legal" enslavement?)

[Demosthenes]

[First it was sent to my e-mail list, not posted on my web site. Second, of course it troubles fascists to think of having to oppress a populace that is armed.]

Contrary to your unsubstantiated assertion, the e-mail you copied and enclosed was never "posted on his website." (The truth, as I'm sure you know, is that the IRS is "monitoring" Mr. Rose's communications, or at least some of them.)

snip

The government's continued surreptitious monitoring of Mr. Rose violates his First Amendment right to express his opinions and conclusions--whether you and I agree with them or not. Even though such political surveillance by the Executive Branch has become all too common in the last eight years, it remains unconstitutional and un-American.

I found Larken's "The Militia is You" essay posted on 19 websites, including this one which publishes all of Larken's essays and sells Larken's books...

http://www.rogershermansociety.org/articles.htm

Larken even advertised this website in the signature line of his "Militia is You" essay:

Larken Rose
http://www.larkenrose.com

Past articles to this list can be found here:
http://www.rogershermansociety.org/articles.htm

[Judge Roy Bean]

Call me crazy, but Goldberg's right, and Miller made a fool of himself as well as the DOJ. Which makes one wonder how the alleged letter to a prior probation officer wound up in Rose's hands.

[Demosthenes]

The DOJ indicted Larken on a bunch of wimpy misdemeanors. If they wanted to take away his guns, they should have indicted him on tax felony counts.

[.]

I said, more bluntly than many "gun rights" folks do, that I want you, the public, to have the ability to kill government agents, both military and police.

Why does MulletBoy think that the public, who, as a body politic, possess about 200 million firearms in toto, has ever been unable to do this?

Why is MulletBoy surprised that his incendiary words elicit some response, even if only from from some lower-level bureaucrat?

Is this like when he asked the feds to prosecute him for his tax crimes and they did?

The government's continued surreptitious monitoring of Mr. Rose violates his First Amendment right to express his opinions

Whether of not MulletBoy was or is now being surveilled hasn't ever seemed to stop MulletBoy from exercising his constitutional rights to make a further total fool and idiot of himself, usually at great length. MulletBoy doesn't seem to have been "chilled" in the least. Tough row to hoe.

Does MulletBoy's lawyer maintain that MulletBoy would have, in the absence of this terrible "chilling" effect that nobody can find, been even more vituperative in his already thinly veiled incitements and exhortations to violence?

Of course, whether or not the results of any "surreptitious monitoring" would be admissable in a further criminal trial of MulletBoy is an entirely different issue. One can only hope that there might be such a thing.

[The Observer]

Call me crazy, but Goldberg's right, and Miller made a fool of himself as well as the DOJ. Which makes one wonder how the alleged letter to a prior probation officer wound up in Rose's hands.

I thought that Miller sent Goldberg a copy of the letter:

------< Beginning of Mr. Goldberger letter >---------

Thank you for sending me a copy of your October 14 letter to U.S. Probation Officer George Reed concerning my client, Larken Rose.

But I agree - even if Miller had concerns about Larken's intent, this wasn't the way to handle it.

[LPC]

Call me crazy, but Goldberg's right, and Miller made a fool of himself as well as the DOJ.

I agree that it was stupid of Miller to write a letter like that without first checking to see what Rose was convicted of, and whether or not he was still under supervised release. It makes him and the DOJ look to be both incompetent and vindictive.

[Nikki]

The government's continued surreptitious monitoring of Mr. Rose violates his First Amendment right to express his opinions

has to be one of the worst pieces of logic I have ever seen. Monitoring {by subscribing to an email diatribe list} is neither surreptitious nor suppressive.

It is logically equivalent to "a government agent subscribing to Hustler is infringing on Larry Flint's right to publish pornography."

MulletDude's attorney should be ashamed of himself. If Rose is worried about government monitoring of his screeds, he should be more proactive in vetting his subscribers. Perhaps if he looked at the portion of the e-mail address following the final "." he could eliminate all those with the characters "gov"

Unfortunately, that would severely lower the humor level in a lot of DoJ and IRS offices.