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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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MN Stix weighs in:
Zeropoint, allow me to be more clear. Pete and Doreen did not lose this case. It actually represents a victory. I know the victory is clouded by the 4,000.00 "sanctions" that it ends with. The victory is more in the fact that the IRS and the court may not indiscriminately change your testimony. The best they can do is shed a few tears into their spilled milk. A 4k sanction is imposed because Pete and Doreen refuse to change their testimony to fit that of the IRS.


Repeat after me:

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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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MN Stix says:
Zeropoint, allow me to be more clear. Pete and Doreen did not lose this case. It actually represents a victory. I know the victory is clouded by the 4,000.00 "sanctions" that it ends with. The victory is more in the fact that the IRS and the court may not indiscriminately change your testimony. The best they can do is shed a few tears into their spilled milk. A 4k sanction is imposed because Pete and Doreen refuse to change their testimony to fit that of the IRS.


Repeat after me:

The fact that Pete is an ex-con with a previous tax conviction and a prison record actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that Pete was ordered by a federal court to stop using Cracking the Code on his own tax returns actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that Pete lost his erroneous refund case with the government actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that Pete's tax theories in Cracking the Code have been ruled in a court of law to be without merit and frivolous actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that all followers of Pete have lost their own cases in federal courts actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that Pete has been indicted and faces the possibility of conviction and another prison term actually represents a victory for him.
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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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Famspear wrote:MN Stix says:
Zeropoint, allow me to be more clear. Pete and Doreen did not lose this case. It actually represents a victory. I know the victory is clouded by the 4,000.00 "sanctions" that it ends with. The victory is more in the fact that the IRS and the court may not indiscriminately change your testimony. The best they can do is shed a few tears into their spilled milk. A 4k sanction is imposed because Pete and Doreen refuse to change their testimony to fit that of the IRS.


Repeat after me:

The fact that Pete is an ex-con with a previous tax conviction and a prison record actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that Pete was ordered by a federal court to stop using Cracking the Code on his own tax returns actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that Pete lost his erroneous refund case with the government actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that Pete's tax theories in Cracking the Code have been ruled in a court of law to be without merit and frivolous actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that all followers of Pete have lost their own cases in federal courts actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that Pete has been indicted and faces the possibility of conviction and another prison term actually represents a victory for him.
Pete's (and the rest of the CTC'ers) definition of "victory" is about as accurate as his definition of "includes".
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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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Yes, the river of denial over at LH is currently at flood stage.

Calling them "clueless" would represent an overstatement of their level of rationality.

All the drivel about "sworn testimony" obscures an essential fact: Hendrickson never denied receiving compensation for his services, and so the government was granted a summary judgment because there was no dispute about any material fact.

Hendrickson's "testimony" did not relate to any relevant fact (such as whether he was paid or why he was paid), but was directed instead to a legal conclusion, that what he was paid was not "wages" within the meaning of the IRC. The Circuit Court clearly identified this fallacy:
6th Circuit wrote:The Hendricksons’ remaining claims also plainly lack merit. First, the Hendricksons contend that the district court improperly weighted the evidence in favor of the government when it found that Peter E. Hendrickson was an “employee” who had been paid “wages,” and that Doreen M. Hendrickson had received “non-employee compensation.” However, this contention is tantamount to a typical tax protester argument that the income at issue is not taxable.
Some of the clearer heads at LH recognize that the criminal trial will be about whether the false returns were filed "willfully," and that the government has the burden of proving that Hendrickson knew that his returns were false. But they also seem to think that the government's burden of proof is impossible to fulfill, which is wrong.
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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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the bozo wrote:
Zeropoint, allow me to be more clear. Pete and Doreen did not lose this case. It actually represents a victory. I know the victory is clouded by the 4,000.00 "sanctions" that it ends with.
If it turns out that Pete is convicted in his upcoming trial, I suppose this bozo will tell his fellow Propeller Heads that Pete's conviction will have been a "victory" for Pete that is simply "clouded" by a long "prison term."

In such case, the Wackadoos over at losthorizons will have the sterling opportunity to, figuratively speaking, wave bye-bye to Pete (or, as Pete is already known by the Federal Bureau of Prisons, number 15406-039) and to congratulate him on his "victory" as he is carted off to his new home in an exclusive, government-funded "gated community."

EDIT: PS; I stole the term "gated community" from my colleague fortinbras. I love it!
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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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Famspear wrote:The fact that Pete is an ex-con with a previous tax conviction and a prison record actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that Pete was ordered by a federal court to stop using Cracking the Code on his own tax returns actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that Pete lost his erroneous refund case with the government actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that Pete's tax theories in Cracking the Code have been ruled in a court of law to be without merit and frivolous actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that all followers of Pete have lost their own cases in federal courts actually represents a victory for him.

The fact that Pete has been indicted and faces the possibility of conviction and another prison term actually represents a victory for him.
You overlooked the minor detail of Pete's victory in being officially recognized by the IRS. CtC, and its technique of filing a negation of the W-2 / 1099 with the 1040, is now an officially listed evasion technique within the Small Buisness / Self Employed and Wage & Income divisions of the IRS.

Pete's success is so great that he now has a special unit in Ogden and a special Chief Counsel task force dedicated to him and his adherents.

The only reason the IRS hasn't been more aggressive is that every $5,000 penalty offsets ten individual stimulus payments -- if they can ever be collected.
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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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LPC said, "Some of the clearer heads at LH recognize that the criminal trial will be about whether the false returns were filed "willfully," and that the government has the burden of proving that Hendrickson knew that his returns were false. But they also seem to think that the government's burden of proof is impossible to fulfill, which is wrong."

Why would anyone think the burden can't be met. The Cheek defense didn't help Cheek.
Cheek was convicted.
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LPC wrote:All the drivel about "sworn testimony" obscures an essential fact: Hendrickson never denied receiving compensation for his services, and so the government was granted a summary judgment because there was no dispute about any material fact.
Let's see, kind of hard to follow the writings of delusional people, but I'm trying to work out that "sworn testimony"-bit. Seems to me that in to a LostHead, the case was never about getting Hendrickson to pay his taxes. The "Real Case" was to make Petey go back on his previous "legal" analysis, which of course had the power to overturn the entire tax-system.

So when he refused to do that, and repetated his usual dribble, this somehow proves that he was correct after all, never mind the courts repeated use of words like 'meritless', 'unsubstantiated' and 'irrelevant'. The mere mentioning of CtC-arguments in a "sworn testimony" gives the same arguments legal merit.

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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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The "sworn testimony" argument is discussed here.
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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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Man alive!

After reading a thread like this, I bet that being an attorney in the Criminal Tax Division of the USDOJ or being an IRS CID agent offers the best job security in the country. There seems to be no shortage on the "supply" of people who are willing to sacrifice their financial futures like this.

I think I'll check the "employment opportunities" post on http://www.irs.gov.
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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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Most recent insight regarding the $4,000 in sanctions imposed by the 6th Circuit for filing a frivolous appeal:
rodent wrote:So is Pete actually required to pay the 4,000? What remedies does he have to avoid it?
Answers:

No. The 6th Circuit Court of Appeals was just yanking his chain. It was all a joke.

Pete's remedy is an appeal to the Supreme Court. They'll be happy to take time away from the cases of detainees who have been imprisoned without judicial review for more than 6 years and other cases with life-and-death and national impact in order to help an ex-con tax deadbeat avoid a $4,000 fine for being an idiot.
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LPC wrote:Most recent insight regarding the $4,000 in sanctions imposed by the 6th Circuit for filing a frivolous appeal:
rodent wrote:So is Pete actually required to pay the 4,000? What remedies does he have to avoid it?
Answers:

No. The 6th Circuit Court of Appeals was just yanking his chain. It was all a joke.

Pete's remedy is an appeal to the Supreme Court. They'll be happy to take time away from the cases of detainees who have been imprisoned without judicial review for more than 6 years and other cases with life-and-death and national impact in order to tell an ex-con tax deadbeat that he cannot avoid a $4,000 fine for being an idiot.
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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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Various musings at losthorizons on whether Hendrickson's scam really works; user "continentalarmy" writes:
How many of you on this forum have received a refund for a W-2 and kept the IRS 100% off your back thereafter? Be honest!

It seems like only 1099ers are having long-term success.

No BS please! Chime in only if you have had long term success with a W-2 refund. . . .
http://www.losthorizons.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1314

User "MN Stix" says:
continentalarmy, I do not personally know someone being successful.

If you followed the long thread, you may already know of my friends [sic] situation. I will say it again here anyway.

He had success with the state 2007. He sent in an M-1 (no federal forms and no copy of 4852, just the M-1) and received everything back. For the same year, he sent in federal forms along with 4852. To this day, he has not received a refund or so much as a frivolous letter...nothing.
User "Submarine Veteran" writes:
This isn't about getting my money back for me. It's about doing what is right. If the government must resort to falsehoods and force to make me comply, they will have a long wait. It is about individual rights and individual freedoms and an HONEST system of government.

If there really was a law, why won't they just show it to us?

If the law is so complex, it is void[,] and there's plenty of law to support that [theory].

So why don't they fix it? They make hundreds of changes to the Tax Law every year - wouldn't one be really simple:

"Every American and every foreigner living in any of the states or territories owes a percentage of everything he/she earns every year to the IRS as determined by the IRS as they see fit...."

SIMPLE - Yet they can't do it[,] because it would be unconstitutional - so they obfuscate the law and enforce what they want with the most fearful organization since the Nazi Schutzstaffel - The IRS!

As for me, I despise tyranny and will fight it with my every breath.
User "AnthonyM" writes:
125 views, 6 posts, 4 refunds - 2 w/o hassle. Not very encouraging!

I once received a full refund and was not assaulted by the IRS until 13 mos later. The assault lasted for about 6 mos, the usual letter writing exchange, after which the refund stood[,] and I received a Closing Notice stating so. And that is where the good news ends. I don't know why some are hassled and others are not, or why some refunds are issued and others are not.[ . . . ]

I know that I will never recommend to any W2 recipient that they file a tax return in the “CTC” fashion.

This has nothing to do with the merits/accuaracy of the “filing method”, but the really poor risk – reward ratio. The “bad-guys” already have your money – and they it got from you voluntarily, and in the amount that you asked to be withheld from your pay. Why would they give it up? I believe that the potentially devastating results of a prolonged battle with the IRS (or a state DOR) are well known here at LH, aren't they? It seems that 1099'ers have better results, and those that are the subject of no information returns have the best (or no need for) results.

2. I know that no information returns means no headaches.

IMO, this ought to be the topic of greatest discussion on this forum, not the return of money that we voluntarily turned-over to the treasury. Worrying about refunds and the endless exchange of letters is a distraction from what we really seek: Halting the reporting and withholding of our pay. Do you want to fight for refunds in perpetuity? Not me. Do not confuse activity with accomplishment.

3. I know that the vast majority of American society has a Topsy-Turvy view of American social structure – a view where all things American are handed down from on high {choir of angels} by the federal government. [ . . . ]
(bolding added).

Poor, miserable lost souls.
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Halting the reporting and withholding of our pay
The TP pipe-dream in a nutshell.

With a bonus admission of taxable compensation with no disclaimer about it not being "federally connected." TPs can be so sloppy.

They want their SS disability benefits or their federally-subsidized education loans or a federal court system in which to file their frivolous suits, but don't want to contribute a penny to anything.
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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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Poor "zeropoint" (see the first post in this thread) is still trying to get some straight answers from losthorizoners. He/she has begun a new thread, entitled:

Anyone get a refund with NO HASSLES? Post here please.

Here's the post by "zeropoint":
I'd like to see some posts in here from CtCers who have filed, gotten refunds and no hassles. I'd like to start a compare and contrast thread here to see if there is something a new CtC filer can follow to help avoid frivilous [sic] arguments, etc.

Anyone care to post?
http://www.losthorizons.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=1340
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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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I'd like to see some posts in here from CtCers who have filed, gotten refunds and no hassles. I'd like to start a compare and contrast thread here to see if there is something a new CtC filer can follow to help avoid frivilous [sic] arguments, etc.

Anyone care to post?
The answer is no. Anything else you'd like to ask, Zeropoint?

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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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On 28 January 2009, "zeropoint" has a response -- this from user "continentalarmy":
I know of several people who have gotten hassle free credits with regard to 1099s. 1099s seem to get less hassles. MANY, MANY of these people have not sent scanned images in due to fear of highlighting oneself. Now if this is the case in my immediate circle of acquaintances, then I'm sure there are many in the same boat across the country. The $9 million number has got to be a drop in the bucket. I know of several others who have had success with 4852s, both with no hassle, minimum hassle, and maximum hassle. It seems to be hit and miss across the board. I know of several people whose return/credit of their property totals well into the 6 figures . . . and NOT ONE OF THEM sent in a scanned image. Think about that!

Folks, the truth is out, and there is no turning back now. The corrupt operation is in scramble mode to try to make an example of Pete. I know just too many people now who know the truth and it's spreading like wildfire. Everyone I know knows how to read. Once people check out the facts, they're on it. As people start to know others having success, the momentum and crowd is building. It's like a bunch of angry peasants trying to push down the gate to the castle. They will succeed. Many will get injured in the process . . . . but this happens every time there is a revolution of truth.

The tree of liberty must be fertilized from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants . . . it is its own natural manure.

Duty is yours, consequence is God's. You know the truth. Act on it if you feel convicted, and continue to educate the others serfs!!!
Thank you, "continentalarmy". I wonder how public statements like this look to the people who are prosecuting PeterEricBlowhardMeister Hendrickson.

EDIT: To correct coding for the quote.
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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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Am I the only one who thinks a few of the lostheads are using the movie rambo for porn? They sure seem to like their paytriot cliche's
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Everyone I know knows how to read.
Sure, but do they comprehend what they have read? If they are following CtC, it is obvious they do not.
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Re: Hendrickson questioned

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[quote=" "zeropoint""]:
I'd like to see some posts in here from CtCers who have filed, gotten refunds and no hassles. I'd like to start a compare and contrast thread here to see if there is something a new CtC filer can follow to help avoid frivilous [sic] arguments, etc.
[/quote]

Sure, stop using CtC. Or did you want to know how to file a frivilous return without using frivilous arguments. Let us know how that works out for ya.
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