Prison system is not amused by Joe Haas

[Demosthenes]

[jkeeb]

I guess this means Mr. Haas might not expect a negotiated settlement worth big bucks? Of course I am not an attorney.

[webhick]

So, since Joe publicized the transport route with the intention that something happen to intervene with the transport and the transport was "ambushed," does that mean that Joe could be charged with something? I feel like I've seen this on Law & Order.

[Thule]

Or maybe the announcer-man by the door will tell the bouncer-man by the door to escort Mr. Haas out?

There should really be a poll on this.

[cynicalflyer]

Does anyone suspect Joe Haas of trying/acting/saying something really stupid in court during the Browns' trial? You know, like try and ask questions of the judge, or declare it is all unconstitutional, or why there is gold fringe on the flag, or if the prosecution's gum loses its flavor on the bedpost overnight?

Keep in mind Joe tried to invoke a "point of order" to the jury and/or the judge in one of the Brown's supporter trials, as if somehow Robert's Rules of Order applied and he had some right of/for the jury to rule on his "point of order".

Joe's well on his way to more than simply being escorted out of the trial courtroom and instead being taken into custody for anyone of a half a dozen crimes.

And Donna, Reno, et al. wonder why they are so screwed. Listening and doing what Joe Haas tells you is a sure fire way to make a bad situation worse.

And as much as he wants to make himself Ed's "council" or a member of Ed's "council" so he can get access to Ed, it simply is not going to happen.

Interestingly, it is everyone but Joe that suffers when they listen to Joe or do what he says to do.

[Thule]

Interestingly, it is everyone but Joe that suffers when they listen to Joe or do what he says to do.

To quote Reno's lawyer:

Joe, you ruin people’s lives.

[Nikki]

Or maybe the announcer-man by the door will tell the bouncer-man by the door to escort Mr. Haas out?

There should really be a poll on this.

Why should Haas be escorted, preemptively, out of the courtroom?

He has as much right to observe the trial as does any other person as long as he maintains proper decorum.

That said, he will not be able to do so for the entire length of the trial. Somewhere along the way, his inner demons will exceed their frustration level and he will explode into one of his fits of speaking in tongues of genuine sovereign gibberish.

[Thule]

Why should Haas be escorted, preemptively, out of the courtroom?

I did not mean to suggest that he should be escorted out on sight.

But considering his manners, and the fact that the authorities already seem to be aware and wary of his antics, I have a certain hunch that he will get himself evicted during the trial.

[cynicalflyer]

Why should Haas be escorted, preemptively, out of the courtroom?

There's really 2 main points to this: courthouse access and courtroom.

Generally, you don't have to prove the person committed or is going to commit a criminal act in order to ban them from a courthouse or courtroom.

Courtroom: A member of the public who has presented in the past as a disruption to court proceedings can be preemptively given the heave-ho. It's rare, and Joe's probably not made that stage yet, but he throws a few more "point of order" fits and he can get perma-tossed.

Courthouse: he's been flat out chucked out of the courthouse I believe in the past because of statements he's made to court personnel (counter clerks). From the Velardi letter above "According to the United States Marshall, you have been removed from government buildings in the past and you associated with persons who openly discuss the use of explosives and weapons which may or may not be legal or legally obtained."

So, the real concern may not even be if Joe get's tossed from the courtroom, because I'd lay odds he won't even make it past the front door.

[Dezcad]

Wouldn't it be great if we could get Joe and Ray K together for the trial? It would be quite a spectacle.

Here's Ray's latest:

Letter to the Editor: Concord Monitor Regarding Trial of Ed and Elaine Brown

Submitted on Mon, 04/27/2009 - 20:07

Why won't the Court, a fictional entity created by Living Breathing, Flesh-and Blood-Sentient Natural Sovereign Men and Wome answer the Question put to it which would free Ed and Elaine?

Origins of Law:

1. God, the Creator,

2. Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient, Natural Man, the Creation.

3. Government, a fiction, created by Sovereign, Natural Men and Women, the Creator.

4. Juristic Persons, a fictional Corporate Entity, created by a Fictional Government, and is declared subject to the Legislative Policies of the Fictional Government. It is the only "person" which government actually does have jurisdiction over.

Ed and Elaine have challenged the courts to prove jurisdiction as the law provides for, yet the court refused to ANSWER THE QUESTION.

What is that Question? Simply this. Does a Fictional Administrative Unconstitutional, Non-Article III Court have JURISDICTION over a Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient Natural Man or Woman who are standng with full legal capacity in Common Law, and have not waived their rights, nor entered into contract with the court, thereby granting the Limited Courts jurisdiction over them.

As stated above, a Fictional Court only has jurisdiction only over other fictions of its own creation, in other words, the JURISTIC PERSON/DEFENDANT, and thus operate on the presumption that Ed and Elaine Brown, the Living, Breathing, Flesh-and-Blood, Sentient Natural man and woman consent to acting as a surety or underwriter for the debts of the STRAWMAN DEFENDANT,.

This is not hooey, as government would have you believe. THIS IS LAW.

Let the People require the Judge or Prosecutor answer the question under Oath or Affidavit. If they will not. and seek to imprison a couple to a life term, who merely pose a fundamental question of freedom and liberty which the courts refuse to answer, then there can be no JUSTICE in the courts of America, there is only Tyranny and slavery.

Ms. Sanger, Please do your duty as a journalist and SEE THAT THE QUESTION IS ANSWERED.

If it is not, Ed and Elaine Brown MUST BE SET FREE. and the real criminals indicted.

Raymond Ronald Karczewski©
Cave Junction Oregon

[wserra]

Cave Junction Oregon

Cave Junction? Cave Junction? I don't remember reading that before.

I can't think of a more apt place for RayK to live.

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This is not hooey

Ah, were but it not.

[Demosthenes]

More commentary from Joe about taking Reno, Danny, and Jason to Maine for hearings:

I reported this crap to Federal Rep Paul Hodes in Concord, and his Office Manager did call Deputy Clerk Dan Lynch over at the U.S. District Court, but that he gave some lame excuse of a Rule 77.5 that the defendant can be hauled across state boundary lines to another federal judicial "district". But that that Rule is for Civil cases! This is a Criminal case! and when I informed Hodes about this, he said: to get lost! Him being a Jew BTW, with excellent standards per his World Jewish Council of Parliamentarians to support the Rule of Law, but that when I did report him to them, they said in effect to get lost too! What is it with these Jews? Or is he really just say-ing he's a Jew, but does lie, and so be really of that Revelation 3:9 Synagogue of Satan?

[wserra]

More commentary from Joe about taking Reno, Danny, and Jason to Maine for hearings:

What is it with these Jews?

Yiddische kopfen.

What an asshole.

[Lambkin]

Thus confirming every low opinion of Joe Haas. It's always a relief to me when the true character of a bigot comes out.

[fortinbras]

Him being a Jew BTW, with excellent standards per his World Jewish Council of Parliamentarians to support the Rule of Law, but that when I did report him to them, they said in effect to get lost too! What is it with these Jews? Or is he really just say-ing he's a Jew, but does lie, and so be really of that Revelation 3:9 Synagogue of Satan?

Haas is evidently referring to the International Council of Jewish Parliamentarians ...

http://www.icjp.net/

... an organization made up of Jews who happen to be govt officials or legislators from around the world (but, of course, the US probably has the plurality - outside Israel).

[Doktor Avalanche]