"The Secret" Affiliate Program - Law of Attraction

[justbreathedear]

Has anyone got any information on the affiliate program for "The Secret"?

Is there actually one run by the author or publisher of this crap? I have a friend deeply deluded by this thing, and it would warm my cockles to discover it's a Ponzi, so maybe, just maybe, I can bring her back down to Earth from Planet Kool-Aid.

Please tell me it's got a Ponzi attached...preferably one big enough to be investigated...make my day.

[justbreathedear]

Found it.
Here's the affiliate program associated with "The Secret".
Bob Proctor is a heavily featured "teacher" in the DVD.

Funny, his affiliate program is currently being "revamped" according to this page on his web site:

http://www.bobproctor.com/affiliateprogram.asp

Proctor sales pitch is called SGR Seminar, and he's even got a Mexican Riviera cruise coming up, who'da thunk? Gee, wonder why he decided to "revamp" the affiliate program? The old web page looks pretty standard...

Old version of Proctor's affiliate web page:

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[justbreathedear]

Here's the current affiliate program sign-up, using the marketing designs from "The Secret". It's called "The SGR Program".

Could some LEOs please investigate!!
Oprah touted this thing (hopefully with no clue what she was advocating, but who knows), so a LOT of people could get hurt.

Of course, they have a whole package for a substantial fee, and the affiliate program is part of it and WAY down on the page buried in the text, but here's the outline:

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[wserra]

It appears to be yet another "Give me a lot of money and I'll tell you how to get rich quick" scheme. You know, address in Arizona, incorporated in Nevada, that guy Proctor from Ontario - you get the picture.

I have a question for him, same as the others - If you have the secret to getting rich, why do you need my $2K?

[GoldandSilverEagles]

I have a question for him, same as the others - If you have the secret to getting rich, why do you need my $2K?

I'm happy to answer on their behalf.
I have associated with some very wealthy individuals, and I can immediately tell by the very nature of your question that you are a financially broke individual. I'd venture to say that you live paycheck-to-paycheck, as do most Americans who are broke.

Now to answer your question, it helps to understand the wealth mentality of the rich. The rich, unlike broke middle-America, believe in diversity. They believe in having multiple streams of income. They believe in offering high quality products and services in the marketplace.

Now, if what they offer into the marketplace does not offer legitimate value, the marketplace will "vote" them out of business. They won't buy their products/services.

In the process, those who don't have the guts to do what "they" have accomplished generally end up envying them to the point of spewing fault finding ridicule. Amway Diamonds encounter that a*lot.

Years ago, Dave Severn, a very wealthy Amway Diamond, told me the following (paraphrased):

....I started my business in Boise, Idaho, and nowadays, when I go back for a visit, they call me "Lucky".

I tell them, "Your right, I am "Lucky". I'm lucky I wasn't lazy like you".

[Arthur Rubin]

I have a question for him, same as the others - If you have the secret to getting rich, why do you need my $2K?

I'm happy to answer on their behalf.
I have associated with some very wealthy individuals, and I can immediately tell by the very nature of your question that you are a financially broke individual. I'd venture to say that you live paycheck-to-paycheck, as do most Americans who are broke.

Now to answer your question, it helps to understand the wealth mentality of the rich. The rich, unlike broke middle-America, believe in diversity. They believe in having multiple streams of income. They believe in offering high quality products and services in the marketplace.

Now, if what they offer into the marketplace does not offer legitimate value, the marketplace will "vote" them out of business. They won't buy their products/services.

But not before they fleece most of the sheeple. (Sorry, I know "sheeple" is a tax protester term. But it fits.)

[GoldandSilverEagles]

I have a question for him, same as the others - If you have the secret to getting rich, why do you need my $2K?

I'm happy to answer on their behalf.
I have associated with some very wealthy individuals, and I can immediately tell by the very nature of your question that you are a financially broke individual. I'd venture to say that you live paycheck-to-paycheck, as do most Americans who are broke.

Now to answer your question, it helps to understand the wealth mentality of the rich. The rich, unlike broke middle-America, believe in diversity. They believe in having multiple streams of income. They believe in offering high quality products and services in the marketplace.

Now, if what they offer into the marketplace does not offer legitimate value, the marketplace will "vote" them out of business. They won't buy their products/services.

But not before they fleece most of the sheeple. (Sorry, I know "sheeple" is a tax protester term. But it fits.)

What exactly do u mean by "fleece most of the sheople"?

[Burzmali]

But not before they fleece most of the sheeple. (Sorry, I know "sheeple" is a tax protester term. But it fits.)

What exactly do u mean by "fleece most of the sheople"?

Because this is a pretty standard pyramid scheme, and that's how pyramid schemes work.

[Arthur Rubin]

What exactly do u mean by "fleece most of the sheople"?

People who unquestioningly accept as true whatever their political leaders say or who adopt popular opinion as their own without scrutiny.

Hmmm. Not quite correct, sorry. What's the term for people who unquestioningly accept as true whatever their personal guru says?

[wserra]

What's the term for people who unquestioningly accept as true whatever their personal guru says?

Cultists?

[GoldandSilverEagles]

What exactly do u mean by "fleece most of the sheople"?

People who unquestioningly accept as true whatever their political leaders say or who adopt popular opinion as their own without scrutiny.

Hmmm. Not quite correct, sorry. What's the term for people who unquestioningly accept as true whatever their personal guru says?

The term is "faith", and I believe the origin is "organized religion".

Actually I disagree how you are using "sheople" in this context.

I have been a follower and student of the 'law of attraction' science/movement for several years. I have a dozen or so books on the topic. Never have I ever read that I had to accept *anything* at face value, and I don't. I have the personality of a researcher, quantum scientist, meta physicist, physicist (you get the picture). I don't accept claims of loa without proof of how it works.

So to promote the idea that LOA advocates taking it on "faith" without questioning it, (as opposed to what "organized religion" preaches), is simply not true. Not to my experience any way.

[GoldandSilverEagles]

What's the term for people who unquestioningly accept as true whatever their personal guru says?

Cultists?

aka... organized religion.

[Joey Smith]

MLM is fundamentally no better than selling crack on the streetcorner; yeah, you can make some money doing both.

[GoldandSilverEagles]

MLM is fundamentally no better than selling crack on the streetcorner; yeah, you can make some money doing both.

Translation: I don't know what the hell I'm talking about, but I wanna look smart/informed while acting like a smart ass.

Then tell me this Mr Joey: Why does the industry continue to EXPLODE, and do so legally, and on a worldwide level?

Do you believe the whole world is stupid outside of your uninformed/uneducated opinion?

[wserra]

Then tell me this Mr Joey: Why does the industry continue to EXPLODE, and do so legally, and on a worldwide level?

Perhaps you could cite verifiable proof of that. Please be aware that the same companies which bray about signing up hundreds of thousands of new distributors in fact lose as many each year as they sign up. And I'm sure you'll agree that, even if a company signs up 1,000,000 new distributors, that figure is meaningless if 95% either make nothing or actually lose money. So I'm sure you'll include the mean earnings figures with your "analysis", to show that this "explosion" is proof of anything other than the pool of suckers upon the existence of which every pyramid scheme relies.

[GoldandSilverEagles]

Then tell me this Mr Joey: Why does the industry continue to EXPLODE, and do so legally, and on a worldwide level?

Perhaps you could cite verifiable proof of that. Please be aware that the same companies which bray about signing up hundreds of thousands of new distributors in fact lose as many each year as they sign up. And I'm sure you'll agree that, even if a company signs up 1,000,000 new distributors, that figure is meaningless if 95% either make nothing or actually lose money. So I'm sure you'll include the mean earnings figures with your "analysis", to show that this "explosion" is proof of anything other than the pool of suckers upon the existence of which every pyramid scheme relies.

It does not surprise me that a staunch cynic like yourself, (ie...one whom is cynical and habitually criticizes everything you touch,) would demand proof on something so easily verified.

List of Territories and Countries Where Amway
Operates (91 Total)
American Samoa
Anguilla
Antiqua
Argentina
Australia
Austria
Azores
Bahamas
Barbados
Barbuda
Belgium
Bermuda
Brazil
British Virgin Islands
Brunei
Canada
Canary Islands
Cayman Islands
Channel Islands
Chile
Colombia
Costa Rica
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark
Dominica
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Finland
France
French Antilles
French Guiana
Germany
Grenada
Greece
Guam
Guatemala
Guernsey
Haiti
Honduras
Hong Kong
Hungary
Republic of Ireland
India
Indonesia
Italy
Japan
Jersey Island
Korea
La Reunion
Macau
Madeira
Malaysia
Mexico
Monserrat
Namibia
The Netherlands
Netherlands Antilles
(Aruba, Bonaire,Curacao,
Dutch St. Martin, Saba,
St. Eustatius)
New Zealand
Norway
Palau Islands
Panama
People's Republic of
China
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Puerto Rico
Romania
Singapore
The Slovak Republic
Slovenia
South Africa
Spain
St. Kitts and Nevis
St. Lucia
St. Vincent
Sweden
Switzerland
Taiwan (Republic of
China)
Thailand
Trinidad and Tobago
Trust Territories of the
Pacific (Mariana,
Marshall, and Caroline
Islands)
Turkey
Turks and Caicos Islands
Ukraine
United Kingdom
United States of America
US Virgin Islands
Uruguay
Venezuela
Wake Islands

http://www.b-w-maschke.com/Neue_Dateien/i-mediUU.pdf

Btw...The FTC has ruled that Amway is not a "pyramid scheme".

[wserra]

That's proof of an "explosion"? Suppose that the list is ten countries short of last year's - is that still an "explosion"? Suppose Amway has two distributors in a few of those countries - is that still an "explosion"? Suppose the mean earnings of every distributor in every country on the list is $18.75/year - is that still an "explosion"?

I think I said it before - it's like trying to have a conversation with a first-grader. Once you get past Barney, there's not a lot of information.

[Demosthenes]

According to the company stats, there are 3 million distributors and the 2008 gross sales figure was $8.4 billion. That means that the average gross sales per distributor was only $2,800/year. Factor in the distributors' overhead and the whopping big bite that the uppity-ups get in the form of bonuses, and the little guys in the field (an estimated 60% of whom are "inactive") are really getting screwed.

[GoldandSilverEagles]

That's proof of an "explosion"? Suppose that the list is ten countries short of last year's - is that still an "explosion"?

cynical speculative opinion #1

Suppose Amway has two distributors in a few of those countries - is that still an "explosion"?

cynical speculative opinion #2

Suppose the mean earnings of every distributor in every country on the list is $18.75/year - is that still an "explosion"?

cynical speculative opinion #3

I think I said it before - it's like trying to have a conversation with a first-grader. Once you get past Barney, there's not a lot of information.

Translation: I'm really uninformed while trying to look intelligent and informed, aka 'summary of an cynic's mentality'.

Tell ya what 'barney', it's easy to criticize and speculate, (and most cynics like yourself do,) and I don't waste my time fielding idiotic speculation.

I'm not putting you down, I'm calling a 'spade a spade'.

B4 I waste any further time with you and your idiotic/cynical speculations verify your cynical speculative opinion 1-3, and then we might **begin** to have an intelligent debate.

However I have my doubts whether an 'intelligent debate' is possible with a cynical/dysfunctional/anti-social/egotistical personality such as yourself.

[Demosthenes]

That's proof of an "explosion"? Suppose that the list is ten countries short of last year's - is that still an "explosion"?

cynical speculative opinion #1

Suppose Amway has two distributors in a few of those countries - is that still an "explosion"?

cynical speculative opinion #2

Suppose the mean earnings of every distributor in every country on the list is $18.75/year - is that still an "explosion"?

cynical speculative opinion #3

I think I said it before - it's like trying to have a conversation with a first-grader. Once you get past Barney, there's not a lot of information.

Translation: I'm really uninformed while trying to look intelligent and informed, aka 'summary of an cynic's mentality'.

Tell ya what 'barney', it's easy to criticize and speculate, (and most cynics like yourself do,) and I don't waste my time fielding idiotic speculation.

I'm not putting you down, I'm calling a 'spade a spade'.

B4 I waste any further time with you and your idiotic/cynical speculations verify your cynical speculative opinion 1-3, and then we might **begin** to have an intelligent debate.

However I have my doubts whether an 'intelligent debate' is possible with a cynical/dysfunctional/anti-social/egotistical personality such as yourself.

I guess it's easier for you to label something as "cynical speculation" than it is to refute it with actual facts...