Please allow me to introduce Jerry Weinzierl's attack dog Snorg, What thinly disguised hostility is directed at Jack. Ouch!!! Could this be Joy Weinzierl, Jerry's wife???
Originally Posted by Snorg
Why are you so afraid of a law suit if you are so sure that you are right about all the claims you make here?
Originally Posted by Snorg
Aaron lives within 5 miles of the church.
Originally Posted by Snorg
You guys really have no clue, do you? I live in Sterling Heights and my IP address shows as coming out of Troy.
Originally Posted by Snorg
....You DO realize that Aaron works at Grace Christian Church which has about 20 or so employees and 20 or so computers, most of whom know about this site and the lies that are spread here. Any of them could have posted under the Butler account. Not to mention the open WiFi they have throughout the entire building and in the cafe that would allow ANY person with a laptop to post from that same address. Butler obviously goes to Grace Christian Church so this is entirely plausible.
Originally Posted by Snorg
First, I've always been weary of AC and yes, in hingsight, its obvious it was only there to benefit those at the top of the pyramid. I'm not here to defend AC whatsoever, and never have.I didn't speak for Jerry. One would think that when Jack approached Aaron to join AC, he would have approached Aaron's father, Jack's brother around the same time. I could be wrong, but only Jerry could clear that assumption up. And since we have no documented proof dating when Jerry joined, we'll just have to wait for him to clarify if he ever returns here.
Originally Posted by Snorg
Again, you'll have to tell me what this has to do with Jerry Weinzierl.
You think Jerry and Aaron should be responsible for helping those whom they were never even in contact with because they were involced in AC as reps who as far as I know never signed up one person under them. I'm not quite sure how you draw the conclusion as to how Jerry and Aaron are responsible for making ammends for Jacks misleadings. Unless they scammed someone directly, I dont see how they should feel like they need to hand out money which they likely do not have to others who have been scammed by someone else.
Originally Posted by Snorg
As Jerry has suggested, I'm sure he would WELCOME the investigation with open arms. He said he's pastored for like 25 years and never had a single accusation of fraud or mismanagement made against him. But I'm sure those couple of crazy people on the internet who have never met him will be the ones to crack open this conspiracy case! LOL!
And thats fine if you want to believe I'm Aaron. Like I said, I'm not. And its obviously not the only thing you are wrong about here.
Originally Posted by Snorg
Oh man, this is great. The weasels here think I am Aaron now! For the record, no, I am not Aaron, or anyone else involved in AC. I'm just an outsider who sees the lies and accusations without any proof being thrown around. This is kind of like going after Bernie Madoff's kids for something Bernie did. Keep it up guys, no matter how much you try to make someone else out to be the bad guy, it was your own stupidity that got you into this mess and now its obvious that you believe this is making you feel better by attempting to make others look just like the bad guy here.
Originally Posted by Snorg
Talk about grasping at straws. You are attacking Jerry for receiving a refund of $7,000 (if this is actually true that he did even receive it)????? What exactly is unbecoming of a person to accept a refund? Isnt that the VERY thing you and SBM are complaining about here in this thread, that some people did not receive a refund? Maybe it has to do with the fact that if Jerry had to respond to every NUT like yourself, he wouldnt have any free time left. He already explained in his other post that he has more checks and balances in his church then one can think of and has NEVER had ANY accusations made against him like those which you have here.
Originally Posted by Snorg
Well, Advantage does not seem like a good company to me, seeing as they were taking people for their money, $10,000 at a time.
In general, I would never go with an opportunity in MLM that required me to front money before seeing any results.
Also, I am always weary of any business that is called a "Christian" business. Many times, they are using your faith to gain your trust, which is just plain wrong.
Originally Posted by Snorg
Who is Tim and why would I defend him? I'm talking about this thread being a total hit-piece this Jack fellow. You see, some of us actually come here to find out if a program is a scam or not. This thread does nothing but perpetuate hate as you and sbm have shown. I'm not here to protect anyone, but your obviously here to tear down those who are done wrong to others in the past.
Originally Posted by Snorg
Thanks for proving you have no clue what the hell you are talking about. Do us all a favor and stick to the mindless Jack-bashing, you and SBM seem to be pretty good at it. But thats the beauty of the internet for losers like you and SMB. You hide behind your computers and wouldnt dare say any of the things you say online to someone IN REAL LIFE.
Actually, it seems you and SMB are the ones here who were stupid enough to fall for it, and now, instead of dealing with your mistakes and moving on, you've decided to harp on your past mistakes by posting the personal information of someone who gave you the rope to help you hang yourselves.
To sum it up, this thread in particular serves no purpose other than to further humiliate Jack Weinzierl. And I find it highly ironic that some here would suggest that SBM take up what others have said about her here with her local authorities when she and those who suggested such things are the ones perpetuating the exact same thing against Mr. Weinzier.
Originally Posted by Snorg
Well, again I think its completely pathetic what you and others are doing here. Sure, I'll agree I would NEVER give $10,000 to join an MLM, that just stupid, and some here were stupid enough to fall for it. And yes, shame on Jack for getting into that mess in the first place. However, now Advantage Conferences is out of business, and Jack has moved on to other ventures apparently. In fact, I did some reasearch and the only business I can seem him currently promoting is localadlink.com, which is actually a completely legitimate business, and not a scam.
Originally Posted by Snorg
Wait, so because she has "proof" that Jack was filing for bankruptcy at one time, that makes it legitimate for her to not only post all of the bankruptcy documents on-line in a way to humiliate him, but even take it one step farther by actually attending his bankruptcy hearing and returning here to post more insults and further humiliate the man?
Originally Posted by Snorg
Does anyone else find it HIGHLY IRONIC that Soapboxmom is allowed to start countless threads and post all types of personal information and insults, bordering on stalking and be allowed to do so for years here; yet, when a few people come onto these forums to give her the same treatment she has given Jack those users are Banned?
I see scam.com is only interested in smearing CERTAIN people.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7505049/Weinz ... ry-10-2006
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