Dave Champion and Quatloos

[LegalCitizen]

In researching I found this information on Dave Champion and Jay. Can any one help me understand this. Is it true. Who is this Dave Champion guy? Is is fighting with Quatloos. Check it out.

“The <http://www.apfn.net/MESSAGEBOARD/01-13- ... gi.37.html>
> Quatloos Website is a FRAUD Dave Champion thrashes Jay

I would love to talk abouth this. Let me know.

[Imalawman]

In researching I found this information on Dave Champion and Jay. Can any one help me understand this. Is it true. Who is this Dave Champion guy? Is is fighting with Quatloos. Check it out.

“The <http://www.apfn.net/MESSAGEBOARD/01-13- ... gi.37.html>
> Quatloos Website is a FRAUD Dave Champion thrashes Jay

I would love to talk abouth this. Let me know.

First, take a remedial course in spelling and grammar. After you do, then I'll think about responding to you.

[Lambkin]

I would love to talk abouth this. Let me know.

Welcome to Quatloos! Go ahead and start a new thread, and start talking abouth it.

Something to bear in mind: Quatloos is not the government. You can't attack the IRS or refute your legal obligations by attacking Quatloos. Dave Champion has some issues to work out with the government, not with Quatloos. Quatloos is the peanut gallery where you will hear facetious commentary and predictions about what will happen when a "patriot" moron gets his nuts caught in the government vise. Said moron is likely to do some screeching as the vise tightens, but it's not always worth listening to.

EDIT: Some starter material for you...

viewtopic.php?f=27&t=2575

[Demosthenes]

Welcome to Quatloos! Go ahead and start a new thread, and start talking abouth it.

I moved the relevant posts to their own thread.

[Noah]

In researching I found this information on Dave Champion and Jay. Can any one help me understand this. Is it true. Who is this Dave Champion guy? Is is fighting with Quatloos. Check it out.

“The <http://www.apfn.net/MESSAGEBOARD/01-13- ... gi.37.html>
> Quatloos Website is a FRAUD Dave Champion thrashes Jay

I would love to talk abouth this. Let me know.

http://nontaxpayer.org/

There you go...

[voiceofpeople]

Check this out legalcitiz.Now I'm really confused. Please explain is this true. I would like to see these Dave Champion and this Jay person in a boxing ring.
The Quatloos Website is a FRAUD
> Dave Champion thrashes Jay D. Adkisson on American Radio Show, March 6, 2004
> Beware, tax honesty advocates! There is a lot of snake oil out there, and
> the most prominent source of anti-tax protester snake oil is the Quatloos
> website at http://www.quatloos.com . This website is run by a verbally
> abusive and arrogant lawyer named Jay Adkisson. Below is the picture of him
> submitted by one of our readers: That website has been around for at least the last three years and has been
> in existence ever since this website stood up. It has become famous for
> trashing absolutely EVERYONE who wants an accountable and law-abiding
> government so far as taxation is concerned. From now on, we will refer to
> Mr. Adkisson in this article as AssKisser (or Ass Kisser's Son, in its long
> rendition), and the favorite Asses he kisses and brown noses are those of
> the Senate Finance Committee and the Illegal Robbery Squad (IRS). We use
> the derogatory term "AssKisser" only because we think Divine Justice ought
> to operate on him, where he reaps exactly what he sows. His whole website
> slanders people so he, and only he, definitely ought to get a BIG dose of
> his own medicine. We don't, however, have to tell untruths in order to
> discredit him, because the truth about his misdeeds is more damaging than
> the kinds of deception and lies that he practices. If it's truth, it isn't
> slander, but simply "news". He is among the few people who deserve this
> kind of negative attention. "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.....
> Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil [and the Quatloos
> Website] walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devoir.
> Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are
> experienced by your brotherhood in the world." [1 Peter 5:5-9, Bible, NKJV]
> AssKisser has appeared at the Senate Finance Committee hearings several
> times over the past few years, held usually in April right around tax return
> time. These meetings have turned into a favorite method of tax terrorism of
> the American public by the greedy politicians, because they talk about
> shutting down people's free speech rights and tax honesty websites in
> violation of the First Amendment, and they like quoting statistics on all
> the people who have gone to jail for "not paying their fair share". Imagine
> that: Snake Oil salesmen in Congress trying to figure out a way to
> eliminate their competition!
> AssKisser is the favorite fair-haired boy of Senator Charles Grassley, who
> chairs the Senate Finance Committee. Politicians love him up on Capital$
> Hill because he's so gifted at propaganda, verbal abuse, and slander. You
> could search his website for days and not find a single reliable fact. The
> only thing he is interested in is:
> Court rulings below the Supreme Court. He cherry-picks the few rulings that
> DIDN'T go unpublished and which favored the government and then says these
> are the "gospel", in spite of the fact that the IRS' own Internal Revenue
> Manual says in section 4.10.7.2.9.8 that rulings below the Supreme Court
> cannot be cited as applying to more than the specific "taxpayer" in
> question.
> Tax protesters who trash their fellow colleagues. Thurston Bell's nite.org
> website has been shut down for quite some time and Thurston himself has been
> discredited by AssKisser's own admission, but the AssKisser still loves
> quoting mainly Mr. Bell's criticisms of his other fellow tax honesty
> advocates.
> AssKissers Method of Operation (MO) is as follows:
> Quote irrelevant caselaw if it proves the point you want.
> Ignore the source of jurisdiction in each case he quotes. For instance,
> ignore the citizenship or "taxpayer" status of the litigant. This helps
> reinforce the false notion that ALL AMERICANS are "taxpayers", when in fact
> they aren't.
> Print the first rumor that comes along.
> Ignore unpublished cases, which are the majority of cases and all of the
> cases where people won against the government.
> Don't pay any attention to the trend to make federal tax cases unpublished.
> Never mind that the federal judiciary is covering up their own wrongdoing in
> what amounts to obstruction of justice and conspiracy against rights in
> violation of 18 U.S.C. §241.
> If you don't understand the arguments or they are too prejudicial to the
> government, then just call them "frivolous", which is the intellectually
> easy and lazy way and verbally abusive way to win any argument.
> When any argument gets too close to the truth, personalize it by slandering
> the messenger to divert attention away from the facts and the law. That way
> you never have to admit that you heard the truth. That's EVIL.
> Disregard the fact that the federal government has no jurisdiction inside
> states of the Union by default and that jurisdiction can only be conferred
> by a ceding of state jurisdiction under the authority of 40 U.S.C. §255.
> Yes, the federal government does have very limited subject matter
> jurisdiction within states of the Union for certain very specific things,
> like mail fraud and counterfeiting, but direct taxation is not an authority
> delegated to them under the Constitution. The only taxing authority they
> have inside states of the union is on foreign commerce under 1:8:3 of the
> Constitution. See Chapter 5 of our Great IRS Hoax for a very thorough
> explanation of why this is the case, which is unrebutted by anyone.
> Since you know that everything you say is lies anyway, don't ever put your
> name on anything, and ignore the fact that the IRS does the same thing with
> their own publication called "The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments". If
> it's not official and there is no formal author, then you can't be held
> liable for misrepresentation because no one can prove you wrote it. That's
> the key to what we call "plausible deniability" and its the only way to
> avoid having your license to practice law pulled if the lid ever blows on
> the huge Pozzi Scheme our government is pulling.
> Ignore the definition of "person" used for the criminal provisions of the
> Internal Revenue Code, which means an officer of a federal corporation or
> partnership. See also Great IRS Hoax section 5.4.8 and 26 U.S.C. sections
> 6671(b) and 7343.
> Ignore the fact that there are no implementing regulations under Part of of
> the CFR authorizing any kind of enforcement actions on Americans living in
> the 50 states, which by the way are MANDATORY for all enforcement authority.
> See Great IRS Hoax sections 5.4.6, 5.4.7, and 15.11.17.
> Confuse people about the meaning of the word "includes". Make it into a
> "rubber word" that allows definitions to expand to fill any space at the
> whim of whatever judge is hearing the case. This provides a convenient
> vehicle to deceive people, to abuse Due Process, to deny justice, and
> transform our country from a society of laws (see Marbury v. Madison) into a
> society of men. It also provides a convenient way for judges and the IRS to
> violate the separation of powers doctrine and commit TREASON. Click here
> for details.
> Ignore the massive conflicts of interest created by the corruption of our
> tax system. Click here for details:
> When tax honesty advocates post anything in his Tax Protester Forum that he
> doesn't agree with or he can't argue with, he deletes it rather than
> responds to it. The forum we started on his website was locked so that no
> one could post to it, because he quite frankly doesn't want the truth
> getting out. He is a coward and a Communist!
> ......THIS LIST GOES ON FOREVER. Click here to see more items to add to
> this infinite list.
> AssKisser is deaf to nearly everything and everyone else. He worships the
> federal judiciary and probably hasn't cracked open a copy of the Internal
> Revenue Code or the Treasury Regulations in decades. His website features
> the most imbalanced and illogical view of federal taxation out there.
> AssKisser also happens to be the most evasive person we've met in regards to
> debating tax honesty issues. We have written this fool on several occasions
> to determine whether he is capable of rational thought on the subject of
> taxation. We didn't contact him to ask questions or ask for legal advice,
> but only to ask him to rebut the overwhelming evidence of government
> wrongdoing right out of the government's own mouth as reflected in the
> following publications:
> The Great IRS Hoax-book
> Rebutted version of the IRS' "The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments"
> Rebutted version of the Congressional Research Report 97-59A entitled
> "Frequently Asked Questions Concerning the Federal Income Tax".
> IRS Deposition Questions-expanded version of the We the People Truth in
> Taxation Hearing
> On each and every occasion, instead of sticking to the facts and issues
> addressed above, he simply returns our inquiry with insults, verbal abuse,
> and the frequent word "frivolous" without ever explaining why. Remember,
> the legal definition of the word "frivolous" is "without legal foundation or
> intended to harass". We were polite and logical and simply asked for a
> rebuttal, and we got insults back, because AssKisser knows he would blow up
> the whole tax system if he told the truth. If he rebutted even one issue in
> any of the above publications, then he would obligate himself to explain all
> the contradictions and illegalities he then introduces into all of the other
> facts in the same document, and so he doesn't dare respond to any of our
> materials. Never start an argument that you can't win, and never tangle
> with a legal opponent who has all the evidence.
> AssKisser's sponsors in the Senate Finance Committee are just as evasive as
> he is. We've sent at least one polite letter to Mr. Grassley asking him to
> rebut our rebutted version of the Congressional Research Report 97-59A
> entitled "Frequently Asked Questions Concerning the Federal Income Tax" and
> we got complete silence in return. That is what we call a "Fifth Amendment
> Response". Read the letter we wrote for yourself.
> AssKisser's attitude certainly doesn't help anyone come to the truth of the
> matter, and we suspect he doesn't want Americans to know the truth, quite
> frankly. He is like every other lawyer in the tax profession: His main
> goal is to keep the Truth about taxation OUT of the courtroom and out of the
> hands of the American public. As long as confusion and uncertainty and fear
> prevail in federal courtrooms all over the country in regards to taxation,
> then the Feudal system of Taxation that we have can continue unabated, and
> maintaining the status quo on federal taxation is where most of his bread
> and butter comes from.
> We wrote AssKisser several emails. Most recently, we asked him where he
> gets his funding. I'm sure you realize that lawyers don't work for free,
> and in most cases, they entered the profession so they could get rich quick.
> Here was the interchange:
> QUESTION: Name: Mark
> City: San Diego
> State: CA
> Country: US
> Question: Since your site focuses on tax, trust, and money scams and is
> political in nature, its entirely appropriate as a nonprofit organization
> that you fully disclose where your contributions come from. This kind of
> full disclosure would bolster your credibility. I would like to donate but I
> refuse to do so without a full disclosure of your recipients and/or donating
> organizations. In particular, I would also like to know how much of the
> money comes either directly or indirectly from the following organizations: 1. The U.S. government 2. State governments
> 3. The American Bar Association 4. Trial lawyers. 5. Individuals not connected directly or indirectly with any of the above
> (as a percentage). I don't want to know individual names.
> Mark
> ANSWER: Sure! The percentage of funding we receive is below: 1. The U.S. government
> NONE.
> 2. State governments
> NONE.
> 3. The American Bar Association
> NONE.
> 4. Trial lawyers.
> NONE.
> 5. Individuals not connected directly or indirectly with any of the above
> (as a percentage).
> 100% (mostly from mug sales -- people love our mugs, but our caps are cool
> too!).
> Also, we are not a political group and do not advocate the election of any
> candidate of any party whatsoever.
> Hope this helps!
> Quatloos!
> He has only been selling mugs for about one of the last three years. How
> many of you believe that a tax lawyer, most of whom earn $300 or more per
> hour, is going to work basically for charity. And how many of you believe
> that the the very uncharitable things he says about tax honesty advocates
> have a charitable motive? Click here to read a few samples. We don't
> believe that his efforts are charitable in any sense of the word.
> Charitable causes don't trash people. We don't trash people, we criticize
> bad (sinful) behavior, but no people. We don't hate AssKisser, but we hate
> the evil that he does to people by misinforming them and by lying to them
> about what the tax laws say. AssKisser also contradicted his own words
> above in a posting on his Tax Protester's forum on July 28, 2003, in which
> he said:
> I'm tempted to have the non-profit that sponsors Quatloos!, i.e., Financial
> and Tax Fraud Education Associates, Inc., apply for leave to join the suit
> as Amicus Curiae, and then immediately file a motion for Rule 11 sanctions
> against WTP and all involved. Those possibly interested in helping out with
> a such a lawsuit, contact me offline.
> Wait a minute! First he says all his revenues come from coffee mugs, and
> then he turns around and says that he instead is sponsored by a nonprofit
> group. You can't have it both ways. Either coffee mugs or an external
> organization sponsor the costs, but he only mentioned one of the two so
> AssKisser must be a liar. Right after we posted this article, Mr. AssKisser
> trumped himself again in response to it. We found the above quote by
> searching his online forums using the "Search" button. Well, apparently
> when Mr. Askisser read this article, he responded by removing the "Search"
> button from his Tax Protester Forum to make it more difficult to find
> postings made by him that would further expose his fraudulent dealings!
> Click here and visit his tax protester forums and try to locate a "search"
> button for yourself if you don't believe us!
> Below is how the Apostle Paul responded to people like AssKisser, which is
> consistent with how we view him:
> "For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers [at the IRS],
> specially they of the circumcision:
> Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses [and families],
> teaching [and saying] things [about the tax laws] which they ought not, for
> filthy lucre's [money's] sake.
> One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own [Senator Grassley of the
> Senate Finance Committee], said, The Cretians [tax protesters are] always
> liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
> This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them [IRS and government and
> AssKisser] sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
> Not giving heed to Jewish fables [in this case, the Internal Revenue Manual
> or the IRS Publications], and commandments of men [their 800 telephone
> support service, that gives wrong advice over 60% of the time by the IRS'
> own admission], that turn from the truth.
> Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and
> unbelieving [is] nothing pure [the IRS and the Congress and AssKisser]; but
> even their mind and conscience is defiled [their conscience has been warped
> because they took a bribe [by being a consultant, in the case of AssKisser,
> in violation of Exodus 23:8].
> They profess that they know God [and at least PRETEND that they love their
> brother and the people they serve]; but in [EVIL] works they deny [Him],
> being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."
> [Titus 1:10-16, Bible, NKJV]
> Copyright Chris Hansen
> By: Chris Hansen
> Last revision: March 26, 2004 02:00 P
>
Shoud someone call the state bar. Just a thought.

[voiceofpeople]

Hey guys I found this on-line is this another Dave Champion and jay fight or some other Quatloose victim?

To attack criminally and force a shut down of a private entity designed to bring back a solid unit of measure of value to our currency is giving aid and comfort to those who wish to destroy America. Those who commit that attack are, in addition to theft of property and liberty, guilty of treason,

"Treason doth never prosper; what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Sir John Harrington - 1600

If you cannot personally join the fight against these DOJ, FBI and IRS traitors, at the very least, help those who are out on a point position. I urge you to support the staff of Liberty Dollar now. They need a massive PR campaign to bring knowledge of their plight to the people of North Carolina. Please pass the word.

If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. Winston Churchill - 1940



bob minarik - rochester indiana - rlmpfl9065@earthlink.net.





Legal citizen

[voiceofpeople]

Is it possible that Quatloos can actually be involved in illegal activity and shoud the IRS investigate there NON-profit status. Maybe we all should call Dave Champion and ask his side of the story. I want to see what he suggests.

[LPC]

In researching I found this information on Dave Champion and Jay. Can any one help me understand this. Is it true. Who is this Dave Champion guy? Is is fighting with Quatloos.

Fun facts:

1. Dave Champion is a small-time talk radio host who has had a couple of battles with the IRS and lost both of them. And there may be more battles to come, because the IRS seems to be investigating both the tax "consulting" he provides and his personal tax returns. Details here: http://tpgurus.wikidot.com/david-champion

2. The message you read was written by Chris Hansen, also an anti-tax nut who is currently enjoined from promoting his tax scams. Details here: http://tpgurus.wikidot.com/christopher-hansen

[LPC]

And the sockpuppets go wild.

[notorial dissent]

Gee, another troll, or pair of trolls, is there a real plural for troll???, and an illiterate one at that, who’d a thunk it!!!!!!!

[webhick]

Gee, another troll, or pair of trolls, is there a real plural for troll???, and an illiterate one at that, who’d a thunk it!!!!!!!

One troll. voiceofpeople and LegalCitizen post from the same IP address.

[ASITStands]

2. The message you read was written by Chris Hansen, also an anti-tax nut who is currently enjoined from promoting his tax scams. Details here: http://tpgurus.wikidot.com/christopher-hansen

And, why is he citing something last revised in March, 2004?

Gee, another troll, or pair of trolls, is there a real plural for troll???, and an illiterate one at that, who’d a thunk it!!!!!!!

One troll. voiceofpeople and LegalCitizen post from the same IP address.

And, is it really Bob Minarik, Rochester, Indiana? I thought he was smarter than that.

[webhick]

And, is it really Bob Minarik, Rochester, Indiana? I thought he was smarter than that.

I don't have fancy people tracking tools and haven't hacked in years, but I know that the IP doesn't resolve to anywhere in Indiana.

[bostonteaparty]

An "anti-tax nut"? If anybody here is pro-tax, they can pay mine.

Are you still selling mugs? Seriously, how do you support the site?

[voiceofpeople]

Follow up up legal citizen. This sounds like Dave Champion is a government cheerleader. Putting false information about Dave Champion. How come Quatloos does not talk about Geithner.

2.Here some light reading on the man in charge of our money. At the Senate confirmation hearings, it was revealed that Geithner had not paid $35,000 in self-employment taxes for several years,[27] even though he had acknowledged his obligation to do so, and had filed a request for, and received, a payment for half the taxes owed. The failure to pay self-employment taxes, in part due to the way his employer reported his wages which was not in accordance with tax law, was noted during a 2006 audit by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), in which Geithner was assessed additional taxes of $14,847 for the 2003 and 2004 tax years. Geithner also failed to pay the self-employment taxes for the 2001 and 2002 tax years (for which the statute of limitations had expired) until after Obama expressed his intent to nominate Geithner to be Secretary of Treasury.[28] He also deducted the cost of his children’s sleep-away camp as a dependent care expense, when only expenses for day care are eligible for the deduction.[29] Geithner subsequently paid the IRS the additional taxes owed,[30] and was charged $15,000 interest, but was not fined for late payment.[31] As President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, Geithner annually completed an ethics statement noting any taxes due or unpaid, along with any other obligations. Geithner’s completed statement did not surface during confirmation hearings.
In a statement to the Senate panel considering his nomination, Geithner called the tax issues “careless,” “avoidable” and “unintentional” errors, and he said he wanted to “apologize to the committee for putting you in the position of having to spend so much time on these issues.”[30] Geithner testified that he used TurboTax to prepare his own return and that the tax errors are his own responsibility.[32] This statement is in conflict with statements by the Obama campaign that Geithner was advised by his accountant that he did not owe the taxes.[33] The Washington Post quoted a tax expert who said that TurboTax has not been programmed to handle self-employment taxes when the user identifies himself as being employed.[34] Geithner said at the hearing that he was always under the impression that he was an employee, not a self-employed contractor,[34] while he served as director of the Policy Development and Review Department of the IMF.[6] Geithner comments are contradicted by the Senate report that showed he was not only informed of his status, but that he actively applied for the allowance.
I'm beginning to think Dave Champion is worth reashering. Anyone who does not take his side vs Geither. what's up with that. I also just found this one
The Quatloos Website is a FRAUD
> Dave Champion thrashes Jay D. Adkisson on American Radio Show, March 6, 2004
> Beware, tax honesty advocates! There is a lot of snake oil out there, and
> the most prominent source of anti-tax protester snake oil is the Quatloos
> website at http://www.quatloos.com . This website is run by a verbally
> abusive and arrogant lawyer named Jay Adkisson. Below is the picture of him
> submitted by one of our readers: That website has been around for at least the last three years and has been
> in existence ever since this website stood up. It has become famous for
> trashing absolutely EVERYONE who wants an accountable and law-abiding
> government so far as taxation is concerned. From now on, we will refer to
> Mr. Adkisson in this article as AssKisser (or Ass Kisser's Son, in its long
> rendition), and the favorite Asses he kisses and brown noses are those of
> the Senate Finance Committee and the Illegal Robbery Squad (IRS). We use
> the derogatory term "AssKisser" only because we think Divine Justice ought
> to operate on him, where he reaps exactly what he sows. His whole website
> slanders people so he, and only he, definitely ought to get a BIG dose of
> his own medicine. We don't, however, have to tell untruths in order to
> discredit him, because the truth about his misdeeds is more damaging than
> the kinds of deception and lies that he practices. If it's truth, it isn't
> slander, but simply "news". He is among the few people who deserve this
> kind of negative attention. "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble.....
> Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil [and the Quatloos
> Website] walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devoir.
> Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are
> experienced by your brotherhood in the world." [1 Peter 5:5-9, Bible, NKJV]
> AssKisser has appeared at the Senate Finance Committee hearings several
> times over the past few years, held usually in April right around tax return
> time. These meetings have turned into a favorite method of tax terrorism of
> the American public by the greedy politicians, because they talk about
> shutting down people's free speech rights and tax honesty websites in
> violation of the First Amendment, and they like quoting statistics on all
> the people who have gone to jail for "not paying their fair share". Imagine
> that: Snake Oil salesmen in Congress trying to figure out a way to
> eliminate their competition!
> AssKisser is the favorite fair-haired boy of Senator Charles Grassley, who
> chairs the Senate Finance Committee. Politicians love him up on Capital$
> Hill because he's so gifted at propaganda, verbal abuse, and slander. You
> could search his website for days and not find a single reliable fact. The
> only thing he is interested in is:
> Court rulings below the Supreme Court. He cherry-picks the few rulings that
> DIDN'T go unpublished and which favored the government and then says these
> are the "gospel", in spite of the fact that the IRS' own Internal Revenue
> Manual says in section 4.10.7.2.9.8 that rulings below the Supreme Court
> cannot be cited as applying to more than the specific "taxpayer" in
> question.
> Tax protesters who trash their fellow colleagues. Thurston Bell's nite.org
> website has been shut down for quite some time and Thurston himself has been
> discredited by AssKisser's own admission, but the AssKisser still loves
> quoting mainly Mr. Bell's criticisms of his other fellow tax honesty
> advocates.
> AssKissers Method of Operation (MO) is as follows:
> Quote irrelevant caselaw if it proves the point you want.
> Ignore the source of jurisdiction in each case he quotes. For instance,
> ignore the citizenship or "taxpayer" status of the litigant. This helps
> reinforce the false notion that ALL AMERICANS are "taxpayers", when in fact
> they aren't.
> Print the first rumor that comes along.
> Ignore unpublished cases, which are the majority of cases and all of the
> cases where people won against the government.
> Don't pay any attention to the trend to make federal tax cases unpublished.
> Never mind that the federal judiciary is covering up their own wrongdoing in
> what amounts to obstruction of justice and conspiracy against rights in
> violation of 18 U.S.C. §241.
> If you don't understand the arguments or they are too prejudicial to the
> government, then just call them "frivolous", which is the intellectually
> easy and lazy way and verbally abusive way to win any argument.
> When any argument gets too close to the truth, personalize it by slandering
> the messenger to divert attention away from the facts and the law. That way
> you never have to admit that you heard the truth. That's EVIL.
> Disregard the fact that the federal government has no jurisdiction inside
> states of the Union by default and that jurisdiction can only be conferred
> by a ceding of state jurisdiction under the authority of 40 U.S.C. §255.
> Yes, the federal government does have very limited subject matter
> jurisdiction within states of the Union for certain very specific things,
> like mail fraud and counterfeiting, but direct taxation is not an authority
> delegated to them under the Constitution. The only taxing authority they
> have inside states of the union is on foreign commerce under 1:8:3 of the
> Constitution. See Chapter 5 of our Great IRS Hoax for a very thorough
> explanation of why this is the case, which is unrebutted by anyone.
> Since you know that everything you say is lies anyway, don't ever put your
> name on anything, and ignore the fact that the IRS does the same thing with
> their own publication called "The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments". If
> it's not official and there is no formal author, then you can't be held
> liable for misrepresentation because no one can prove you wrote it. That's
> the key to what we call "plausible deniability" and its the only way to
> avoid having your license to practice law pulled if the lid ever blows on
> the huge Pozzi Scheme our government is pulling.
> Ignore the definition of "person" used for the criminal provisions of the
> Internal Revenue Code, which means an officer of a federal corporation or
> partnership. See also Great IRS Hoax section 5.4.8 and 26 U.S.C. sections
> 6671(b) and 7343.
> Ignore the fact that there are no implementing regulations under Part of of
> the CFR authorizing any kind of enforcement actions on Americans living in
> the 50 states, which by the way are MANDATORY for all enforcement authority.
> See Great IRS Hoax sections 5.4.6, 5.4.7, and 15.11.17.
> Confuse people about the meaning of the word "includes". Make it into a
> "rubber word" that allows definitions to expand to fill any space at the
> whim of whatever judge is hearing the case. This provides a convenient
> vehicle to deceive people, to abuse Due Process, to deny justice, and
> transform our country from a society of laws (see Marbury v. Madison) into a
> society of men. It also provides a convenient way for judges and the IRS to
> violate the separation of powers doctrine and commit TREASON. Click here
> for details.
> Ignore the massive conflicts of interest created by the corruption of our
> tax system. Click here for details:
> When tax honesty advocates post anything in his Tax Protester Forum that he
> doesn't agree with or he can't argue with, he deletes it rather than
> responds to it. The forum we started on his website was locked so that no
> one could post to it, because he quite frankly doesn't want the truth
> getting out. He is a coward and a Communist!
> ......THIS LIST GOES ON FOREVER. Click here to see more items to add to
> this infinite list.
> AssKisser is deaf to nearly everything and everyone else. He worships the
> federal judiciary and probably hasn't cracked open a copy of the Internal
> Revenue Code or the Treasury Regulations in decades. His website features
> the most imbalanced and illogical view of federal taxation out there.
> AssKisser also happens to be the most evasive person we've met in regards to
> debating tax honesty issues. We have written this fool on several occasions
> to determine whether he is capable of rational thought on the subject of
> taxation. We didn't contact him to ask questions or ask for legal advice,
> but only to ask him to rebut the overwhelming evidence of government
> wrongdoing right out of the government's own mouth as reflected in the
> following publications:
> The Great IRS Hoax-book
> Rebutted version of the IRS' "The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments"
> Rebutted version of the Congressional Research Report 97-59A entitled
> "Frequently Asked Questions Concerning the Federal Income Tax".
> IRS Deposition Questions-expanded version of the We the People Truth in
> Taxation Hearing
> On each and every occasion, instead of sticking to the facts and issues
> addressed above, he simply returns our inquiry with insults, verbal abuse,
> and the frequent word "frivolous" without ever explaining why. Remember,
> the legal definition of the word "frivolous" is "without legal foundation or
> intended to harass". We were polite and logical and simply asked for a
> rebuttal, and we got insults back, because AssKisser knows he would blow up
> the whole tax system if he told the truth. If he rebutted even one issue in
> any of the above publications, then he would obligate himself to explain all
> the contradictions and illegalities he then introduces into all of the other
> facts in the same document, and so he doesn't dare respond to any of our
> materials. Never start an argument that you can't win, and never tangle
> with a legal opponent who has all the evidence.
> AssKisser's sponsors in the Senate Finance Committee are just as evasive as
> he is. We've sent at least one polite letter to Mr. Grassley asking him to
> rebut our rebutted version of the Congressional Research Report 97-59A
> entitled "Frequently Asked Questions Concerning the Federal Income Tax" and
> we got complete silence in return. That is what we call a "Fifth Amendment
> Response". Read the letter we wrote for yourself.
> AssKisser's attitude certainly doesn't help anyone come to the truth of the
> matter, and we suspect he doesn't want Americans to know the truth, quite
> frankly. He is like every other lawyer in the tax profession: His main
> goal is to keep the Truth about taxation OUT of the courtroom and out of the
> hands of the American public. As long as confusion and uncertainty and fear
> prevail in federal courtrooms all over the country in regards to taxation,
> then the Feudal system of Taxation that we have can continue unabated, and
> maintaining the status quo on federal taxation is where most of his bread
> and butter comes from.
> We wrote AssKisser several emails. Most recently, we asked him where he
> gets his funding. I'm sure you realize that lawyers don't work for free,
> and in most cases, they entered the profession so they could get rich quick.
> Here was the interchange:
> QUESTION: Name: Mark
> City: San Diego
> State: CA
> Country: US
> Question: Since your site focuses on tax, trust, and money scams and is
> political in nature, its entirely appropriate as a nonprofit organization
> that you fully disclose where your contributions come from. This kind of
> full disclosure would bolster your credibility. I would like to donate but I
> refuse to do so without a full disclosure of your recipients and/or donating
> organizations. In particular, I would also like to know how much of the
> money comes either directly or indirectly from the following organizations: 1. The U.S. government 2. State governments
> 3. The American Bar Association 4. Trial lawyers. 5. Individuals not connected directly or indirectly with any of the above
> (as a percentage). I don't want to know individual names.
> Mark
> ANSWER: Sure! The percentage of funding we receive is below: 1. The U.S. government
> NONE.
> 2. State governments
> NONE.
> 3. The American Bar Association
> NONE.
> 4. Trial lawyers.
> NONE.
> 5. Individuals not connected directly or indirectly with any of the above
> (as a percentage).
> 100% (mostly from mug sales -- people love our mugs, but our caps are cool
> too!).
> Also, we are not a political group and do not advocate the election of any
> candidate of any party whatsoever.
> Hope this helps!
> Quatloos!
> He has only been selling mugs for about one of the last three years. How
> many of you believe that a tax lawyer, most of whom earn $300 or more per
> hour, is going to work basically for charity. And how many of you believe
> that the the very uncharitable things he says about tax honesty advocates
> have a charitable motive? Click here to read a few samples. We don't
> believe that his efforts are charitable in any sense of the word.
> Charitable causes don't trash people. We don't trash people, we criticize
> bad (sinful) behavior, but no people. We don't hate AssKisser, but we hate
> the evil that he does to people by misinforming them and by lying to them
> about what the tax laws say. AssKisser also contradicted his own words
> above in a posting on his Tax Protester's forum on July 28, 2003, in which
> he said:
> I'm tempted to have the non-profit that sponsors Quatloos!, i.e., Financial
> and Tax Fraud Education Associates, Inc., apply for leave to join the suit
> as Amicus Curiae, and then immediately file a motion for Rule 11 sanctions
> against WTP and all involved. Those possibly interested in helping out with
> a such a lawsuit, contact me offline.
> Wait a minute! First he says all his revenues come from coffee mugs, and
> then he turns around and says that he instead is sponsored by a nonprofit
> group. You can't have it both ways. Either coffee mugs or an external
> organization sponsor the costs, but he only mentioned one of the two so
> AssKisser must be a liar. Right after we posted this article, Mr. AssKisser
> trumped himself again in response to it. We found the above quote by
> searching his online forums using the "Search" button. Well, apparently
> when Mr. Askisser read this article, he responded by removing the "Search"
> button from his Tax Protester Forum to make it more difficult to find
> postings made by him that would further expose his fraudulent dealings!
> Click here and visit his tax protester forums and try to locate a "search"
> button for yourself if you don't believe us!
> Below is how the Apostle Paul responded to people like AssKisser, which is
> consistent with how we view him:
> "For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers [at the IRS],
> specially they of the circumcision:
> Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses [and families],
> teaching [and saying] things [about the tax laws] which they ought not, for
> filthy lucre's [money's] sake.
> One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own [Senator Grassley of the
> Senate Finance Committee], said, The Cretians [tax protesters are] always
> liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
> This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them [IRS and government and
> AssKisser] sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
> Not giving heed to Jewish fables [in this case, the Internal Revenue Manual
> or the IRS Publications], and commandments of men [their 800 telephone
> support service, that gives wrong advice over 60% of the time by the IRS'
> own admission], that turn from the truth.
> Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and
> unbelieving [is] nothing pure [the IRS and the Congress and AssKisser]; but
> even their mind and conscience is defiled [their conscience has been warped
> because they took a bribe [by being a consultant, in the case of AssKisser,
> in violation of Exodus 23:8].
> They profess that they know God [and at least PRETEND that they love their
> brother and the people they serve]; but in [EVIL] works they deny [Him],
> being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate."
> [Titus 1:10-16, Bible, NKJV]
> Copyright Chris Hansen

[jkeeb]

The trilateral commission provides, of course, the big bucks.

[Noah]

Here is Dave Champion's radio show....tuesday thru friday daily....His intro is awesome....
enjoy...

[LPC Moderator edit: Link deleted as unnecessary except to boost Google rankings.]

[webhick]

I also just found this one
::snip Dave Champion stuff::

It's not something you "just" found, since you already posted it.

Question to Moderators: It looks like that material is copyrighted. Am I right in thinking that we shouldn't be allowing members to repost it in its entirety?

[Brandybuck]

If you cannot personally join the fight against these DOJ, FBI and IRS traitors, at the very least, help those who are out on a point position.

I have personally joined that fight. But I am fighting it on the turf of reality. The reality is that the 16th Amendment was legally ratified. The reality is that USC 26 is the law Russo was looking for. The reality is that you fight bad law by acknowledging the existance of said law, rather than the masturbation of pretending it doesn't exist.

I have respect for those that base their civil disobedience on the immorality of a law, but absolutely none who base it on legal fictions and prestidigitations.