Pete won't be too happy with Harvey.

[Gregg]

Maybe the Grand Jury appointed a few more, one for the Department of UFOs coming to take over and one for the Department to Purge the IRS.....

[The Operative]

The plan is backed by the 7 Joint Chiefs of Staff......

Oh my, I missed that one. Has anyone told him there are only 4 Chiefs and a Chairman?

idiot

I did point out that there are only SIX members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. There are four Joint Chiefs, a Vice Chairman, and a Chairman.

Yes, Harvester is a first-class idiot.

[Harvester]

4, 5 or 6. I see that even you cannot agree. Doesn't matter; they're on my side.

Famspire, you're my best promoter. If I ever publish, you'll get a first edition; that will ensure success! Why does my personality fascinate you so much? Does it bother you that all your tricks don't work on me. Is that why you study me? That nothing works . . misconstrued arguments, threats of incarceration, name-calling, psychoanalysis. Do you lie awake at night "what manner of man is this who can withstand it all AND YET HE KEEPS COMING BACK AGAIN & AGAIN FOR MORE & MORE! "

I'm not some anti-tax protester. With respect to the Income Tax I'm a law-abiding nontaxpayer. I have nothing against lawful taxation. I pay plenty of taxes - thousands. But I am against unlawful taxation; and that makes me a tax abolitionist.

Give it up Goob. Word's gettin' out. Party's over. The Income Tax is a scam. You've fought long and hard . . to protect a lie.

[Famspear]

4, 5 or 6. I see that even you cannot agree. Doesn't matter; they're on my side.

Yeah. Right.

Famspire, you're my best promoter. If I ever publish, you'll get a first edition; that will ensure success! Why does my personality fascinate you so much?

I am fascinated by tax protesters in part because I find it interesting to study people who don't think like most of us. I am fascinated by the consistency among many of you people: the delusional thinking, the false sense of self-importance, the false sense you are right and the rest of the world is wrong. That's just part of it.

Does it bother you that all your tricks don't work on me. Is that why you study me? That nothing works . . misconstrued arguments, threats of incarceration, name-calling, psychoanalysis.

That's interesting. So, you think I'm playing "tricks." You think I'm trying to "do something" to you. That's entirely consistent with Millon's description of the Paranoid. You, Harvester, have a morbid, unnatural fear of being "controlled" by someone more powerful than you. Ask yourself: Why are you having these feelings?

Do you lie awake at night "what manner of man is this who can withstand it all AND YET HE KEEPS COMING BACK AGAIN & AGAIN FOR MORE & MORE! "

Same response. You have these feelings. You feel that other people, people you perceive as being more powerful than you are, are trying to control you, trying to overcome you in some sense, and you're fighting to "withstand" these supposed attempts to control you. And yet, you feel that these other people, or these other forces, "keep coming back."

Go back and read Millon's description of the Paranoid personality.

I'm not some anti-tax protester. With respect to the Income Tax I'm a law-abiding nontaxpayer. I have nothing against lawful taxation. I pay plenty of taxes - thousands. But I am against unlawful taxation; and that makes me a tax abolitionist.

Give it up Goob. Word's gettin' out. Party's over.

No, goober, the federal income tax is not going away, unless Congress repeals the law. Peter Hendrickson is going to jail. The Joint Chiefs of Staff are not part of some effort to take over the country so you and your ilk can rule the world. And you are a tax protester.

[The Operative]

4, 5 or 6. I see that even you cannot agree. Doesn't matter; they're on my side.

You are delusional.

Famspire, you're my best promoter. If I ever publish, you'll get a first edition; that will ensure success!

You are delusional.

Why does my personality fascinate you so much? Does it bother you that all your tricks don't work on me. Is that why you study me?

Not studying you, we're laughing at you. You are delusional.

That nothing works . . misconstrued arguments, threats of incarceration, name-calling, psychoanalysis. Do you lie awake at night "what manner of man is this who can withstand it all AND YET HE KEEPS COMING BACK AGAIN & AGAIN FOR MORE & MORE! "

Until you started posting here, many of us did not believe that anyone could be that stupid. You are delusional.

I'm not some anti-tax protester. With respect to the Income Tax I'm a law-abiding nontaxpayer.

No, you are not if you earn more than the standard deduction, you are required to file tax returns. You are delusional if you believe that Hendrickson's theories about tax laws are correct.

I have nothing against lawful taxation. I pay plenty of taxes - thousands. But I am against unlawful taxation; and that makes me a tax abolitionist.

Give it up Goob. Word's gettin' out. Party's over. The Income Tax is a scam. You've fought long and hard . . to protect a lie.

We are right. You are wrong. Pete Hendrickson is going to jail and is currently in contempt of court for not properly filing his tax returns. BTW, you are delusional.

[Harvester]

No, goober, the federal income tax is not going away, unless Congress repeals the law.

Hmm, that appears to be a new admission from you. Congrats.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff are not part of some effort to take over the country so you and your ilk can rule the world.

No, not take over the country; that's another misconstruction on your part Famspire. They are part of a peaceful effort to restore Constitutional common-law government (which has been usurped) and put the US Corporation (masquerading as government) back in it's box. Are you against that effort? Surely you've not forgotten our brave military have taken an oath to protect & defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic (cough*Famspire*cough). That we're a self-governing nation?

How long will you deceive and advocate for the Federal Reserve/IRS scams? Will you advocate for the enslavement of your countrymen til your dying day?

[LOBO]

Some idiot asked Harvey for tax advise.

I won a jackpot at a non-indian casino in 2007, and never claimed the winnings, and about a month ago I got a tax bill from the IRS for it.

Is this taxable income? And if it is not, what exactly would I need to do to "clear my balance" with the IRS.

So Harvey told hom to report his gambling losses on Schedule A up to the amount of the winnings to remove the balance due. Just kidding, he told him something stupid

And to Larry & anyone else who thinks casino winnings are "INCOME," I have found CtC to be quite clear on what constitutes "income" and it's summarized here: http://www.losthorizons.com/appendix.ht ... ngOfIncome
Unless the gambler is a public officer and the feds are operating a casino, I don't see how winnings are INCOME under federal law.

Now most likely the winnings were reported on a 1099, IN ERROR. Whenever you receive a 1099 you should save it as a big FLAG because someone is reporting you as receiving INCOME to the IRS. I say "in error" because as CA has said, 1099s are only to be issued in the course of a "trade or business" which is a custom statutory term. Look at the back of a 1099, I think every one I've looked at has that "trade or business" term.

So the idiot writes a letter to the IRS.

This letter is in regard to the letter I received claiming that I had taxable “gambling income” in 2007 from PPI Inc, who has issued a 1099 in error.

The error is, according to the law, the “gambling income” was NOT obtained in the course of a "trade or business", and 26 USC 6041 clearly states that information returns are ONLY to be issued in the course of a "trade or business."

There is ONE thing and ONE thing only that is taxed under Subtitle A, and that is income from a "trade or business, AKA, the performance of the functions of public office. Earnings from a "trade or business" are the ONLY things that are reported on information returns according to the law.

The gambling income would have been 100% taxable, IF and ONLY IF, they were obtained in the course of a "trade or business. I am NOT a professional gambler, and I do NOT hold any public office, therefore according to the law, the gambling income is NOT taxable “gambling income” for me, if it were I would have claimed it on my 2007 return.

Please adjust your records in accordance to the law, as they are in error.

And he gets the best LostHead victory of all. The IRS hasn't responded to his crap yet.

Since I sent the letter (which I posted here) to the IRS, I have never heard back from them, and it's been 4 and half months, so I guess it worked.

Thanks for everyone's input!

The best thing is if he hasn't heard from the IRS, that means that he still has the balance due.

[Cathulhu]

The first letter the idiot got would have been a cp 2000 or 2501 notice; each can take months to assess the tax, depending on the response. That particular response would be routed around a bit first, so it isn't unusual in this kind of case for the tax assessed to take six months. But then the regular billing notices will begin.

[notorial dissent]

Harvey, your ignorance is showing, but of course it is showing, you’re spouting gibberish, as usual.

First and foremost, the phrase “Constitutional common-law government” is oxymoronic, rather like you, only with out the oxy part. A gov’t is either constitutionally based, or common law based, but not both, and our gov’t has never been common law based to begin with. There is no such thing as Federal “common law” as it is all based on statute and legal precedent, something you haven’t clue one about.

As to the militaries “oath to protect & defend the Constitution” that is another reason why your nonsense is a fantasy, since in obeying that oath, they would be bound to defend against your fantasy.

[wserra]

The plan is backed by the 7 Joint Chiefs of Staff......

Oh my, I missed that one. Has anyone told him there are only 4 Chiefs and a Chairman?

Harvey was talking about his kind of "joint chiefs".

[Famspear]

No, goober, the federal income tax is not going away, unless Congress repeals the law.

Hmm, that appears to be a new admission from you. Congrats.

No, that's not a "new admission" from me. In case you haven't noticed, I and the other regulars here have been explaining the basics of how our legal and political system works -- for some months now. You obviously were sleeping through that ninth grade civics class.

.....to restore Constitutional common-law government (which has been usurped)....

Well, stand tall, warriors!

How long will you deceive and advocate for the Federal Reserve/IRS scams? Will you advocate for the enslavement of your countrymen til your dying day?

How long will you continue to spout slogans and nonsense like this? Oh, wait, let me guess! You'll never stop, will you? Go back and read Millon's analysis of the Paranoid personality. Your prognosis is not good.

[Pottapaug1938]

No, goober, the federal income tax is not going away, unless Congress repeals the law.

Hmm, that appears to be a new admission from you. Congrats.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff are not part of some effort to take over the country so you and your ilk can rule the world.

No, not take over the country; that's another misconstruction on your part Famspire. They are part of a peaceful effort to restore Constitutional common-law government (which has been usurped) and put the US Corporation (masquerading as government) back in it's box. Are you against that effort? Surely you've not forgotten our brave military have taken an oath to protect & defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic (cough*Famspire*cough). That we're a self-governing nation?

How long will you deceive and advocate for the Federal Reserve/IRS scams? Will you advocate for the enslavement of your countrymen til your dying day?

SAND-CRAWL, WORRIERS!

[Cathulhu]

Y'know, way back in the late 70's I dealt with a person a lot like this; I can't name names, as I gave an oath about disclosure. In '77 was when the Carter administration created the taxpayer ombudsman, then called the Problem Resolution Office, which has since morphed into the toothless and useless Taxpayer Advocate. Back when it was PRO we were making it up as we went and it was much more interesting; I was involved peripherally in a small way. Do ask me sometime about the guy who dropped dead with my phone number in his pocket, and that call from the coroner. But buy me a drink first!

One particular person we saw there repeatedly I'll call Hamster. He continually harassed the walk-in counter personnel, as well as the toll-free hotline (back then Seattle answered for the State of Washington; unlike now you always got someone in the same state). He regurgitated word salad exactly like our resident troll population, and generally ended with a demand for a three million dollar refund, based on a form 706 estate return. Trouble was, there was no withholding to refund, and we couldn't even confirm the existence of the estate. The Problem Resolution Officer sweet talked him into bringing in a copy of his "return", which looked like something used previously to wrap fish in. (I once handled a tax return salvaged from 200 feet of water and it was in better shape.) Out of kindness, the PRO went and got an auditor that worked with us a lot, and they sat down with Hamster for over two hours, reviewing his "case" and explaining why there was no refund. Explanations were offered, and he'd look at the nice auditor lady in her pink suit and say, "But I'm licensed to practice in the State." After better than two hours, he finally left, saying he understood.

And called the hotline demanding his three million refund the next week. Because he sent a great big mess of paper to the IRS and it took him a long time to get it together and that means that the IRS has to pay him for his time, and he's worth three million. The hotline people would politely (it's required) tell him he had no refund and please stop calling. The counter personnel asked him to leave and called security. I don't know for sure whatever happened to him, but I did hear a rumor that he called once from Steilacoom mental hospital before the orderly took the phone away.

Sound like any persons we know? I think that may have been my first delusional client since I burned out of doing psychotherapy. Never expected my skills would transfer over so well.

[Pottapaug1938]

One other thing, Harvey-boy. In the famous Erie Railroad case, the court held that there is no Federal common law, and that Federal courts apply the common law of the states in which they sit. But then, you have no clue as to what the law is regarding income taxation, so I'm not surprised that you view the "common law" as a sort of legal Kryptonite which destroys your enemies....

[Harvester]

hoho, nice non-response. Believe me, I'm enjoying this show more than you are
You're feigning the high ground but you and the corporation you represent are bankrupt. Both morally and financially.

Your continual responses here belie your agenda. You're a tax shill sent to deflect any onlookers. "Pay no attention to Harvester, he's delusional." If I was truly mentally ill, posting total BS, then what I say, what I reveal, what I post could be safely ignored.

I know it's uncomfortable for you, but you'll soon need to face the facts. You've spent the greater part of your life deceiving your fellow men. You promote government-run scams that amount to modern slavery. We have been, in a word, deceived.

http://losthorizons.com/Newsletter/CtCStudyGuide.pdf

Pete found that not only is the Tax Code constitutional (something which many previous researchers and “tax protesters” doubted, sometimes to their peril), the federal income tax does not apply to the vast majority of workers, businesses and investors in the United States. We have been, in a word, deceived.

[Cathulhu]

And you're back to quoting the felon going into prison, gosh, you must be right!

"We have been, in a word, deceived."

To quote the immortal Congress of Wonders, "What'choo mean we, white eyes?"

[Famspear]

hoho, nice non-response. Believe me, I'm enjoying this show more than you are
You're feigning the high ground but you and the corporation you represent are bankrupt. Both morally and financially.

Yakety-yak yak. Blah blah blah. Can't come up with anything other than more slogans and trite platitudes, eh?

Your continual responses here belie your agenda. You're a tax shill sent to deflect any onlookers.

Yakety-yak yak. Blah blah blah. Yes, Harvester the Paranoid. Like your fellow crooks, you're talking about the "agenda." Clue: This web site exposes scams. That's the agenda, pal.

If I was truly mentally ill, posting total BS, then what I say, what I reveal, what I post could be safely ignored.

I don't know whether you're mentally ill or not, but there is no doubt that what you have been posting all these months can indeed be "safely ignored." Are you really so delusional that you think that because we spend the time to debunk your nonsense, this somehow means that what you write is somehow valid? That seems to be your delusion. You think that the mere fact that we respond to you means that your feelings, your beliefs, are valid.

Wrong, Einstein.

I know it's uncomfortable for you, but you'll soon need to face the facts. You've spent the greater part of your life deceiving your fellow men. You promote government-run scams that amount to modern slavery. We have been, in a word, deceived.

No, we're not "uncomfortable." But you are. You're engaging in a psychological activity called "projection," Harvester.

"Deceiving"? Again, you Harvester, are exhibiting symptoms of the Paranoid personality.

"Slavery"? Re-read Dr. Millon's analysis. You, Harvester, like many other tax protesters, appear to have a morbid, unnatural fear of being "enslaved" by forces or individuals you "feel" (correctly or incorrectly) are more powerful than you are.

Your time would be better spent trying to figure out why you have these feelings, Harvester.

And ask yourself why you keep copying and pasting links to the losthorizons web site.

...We have been, in a word, deceived.

Again, re-read Dr. Millon's description of the Paranoid personality. As you are reading, think about the words you keep using in your posts -- words like: slavery, deception, etc. These are your feelings, Harvester.

[wserra]

I just took note of your sig for the first time, Famspear:

quatloos? ...their mission is to confuse you, discourage you, and lead you back into the pen! - Pete Hendrickson

Whereas Hendrickson's mission is just to lead them back into the FCI.

[LPC]

One other thing, Harvey-boy. In the famous Erie Railroad case, the court held that there is no Federal common law,

Little technical correction: There is some federal common law, but it's limited to patents, copyrights, maritime cases, and other areas in which federal law is exclusive.

And I didn't read what Harvey wrote, but has he latched onto the misconception that Erie v. Tompkins somehow established federal common law, when it did the exact opposite? I'm always amazed by the idiots who cite cases for the opposite of what the case actually said.

[Harvester]

No Famspore, those are not my feelings. They're my assessments / conclusions based on what I've learned in response to government bailouts. We've been deceived with fiat money that loses approximately 6% of its value annually (shadowstats). The Federal Income Tax is a legal tax but with a very limited application, yet almost the entire government (and sheeple) believes the tax is not limited. The courts are complicit in this deception. Taking all the govt scams together, up to 70% of an American's pay, his labor, is sucked away. As feudal serfs only paid one third to their lords, I think we can safely call these scams 'slavery' or at least a modern form of it.

Yes, you Quatloosrs may expose some legitimate scams (yeah) but you actively protect the government scams. That you support, promote and advocate these scams is telling. But of course I support your right to call it whatever you'd like.

Oh, and I didn't quote Erie Railroad. Just saying we, our nation, are headed back to the Republic, back to the Constitution. My patriots are uncovering just how the enemy's been able to ignore & usurp it.
http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=9077
http://rayservers.com/blog/rodney-class-vs-us

While I'm no longer a slave on the federal plantation, I am a servant of Our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. Hang on and hold on tight Warriors! You're not gonna believe this ride.