now, free2live writes:
I know we are in a world of hurt but right is right and we WILL NOT give up...change our testimony...I tell them that we stand by our returns as filed and that is that.
We have sent FOIA on several occasions and they send nothing back that is useful or they say that the info I request is exempt.
Now we have requested a face to face CDPH and we are getting a phone interview instead.
They say they will use the LAW and court decisions to decide our case. When I bring up the LAW or their regulations or court decisions I'm being frivolous, hence the 30 Grand in penalties.
And then -- please secure your beverages -- he closes with this howler:
I guess I am hoping somebody will come to their senses...NOT. THAT won't happen.
No, I guess not.
User "SaintPaul" responds with this:
free2live,
The short "suggestion" is: You need to start thinking outside the box, as I have found necessary.
The long "explanation" is: I have the "advantage" of having dealt with the arrogant and rogue IRS since 1980, and understand their mind-set and attitude very clearly. When you play with a tar baby, you're going to get covered with tar, as Pete is finding out, and a lot of us have also. And that's EXACTLY what any CDPH/Tax Court/computer-generated "notice" sequence/administrative "procedure" is. Like I have stated before, it is all only to obstruct you at every turn. Certainly, you "must" exhaust all administrative avenues first "before going to court" for relief, but you will be exhausted yourself if you are all learning it "for the first time yourself" and have to look forward to only repeat what everyone else before you did already (no matter the specifics). They are not "helpful" in any way as an American government agency should be towards "its" people. Their main objective is that you "think" that it is ultimately "not worth" the prodding (penalties/fines/jail time) and that you will "see" the "wisdom" in eagerly wanting-to-do whatever direction they may point as-fast-as-you-can, like the proverbial cattle in the Chicago stockyard chutes, from ranch to butchering/"harvesting." You are not going "anywhere" that they do not want you to go, when you "follow" their adminstrative [sic] procedure trail set out for you.
Certain people on this forum, while no doubt having the best of intentions, have no real solution (if expecting ANY kind of relief "playing along with" any IRS suggestion-into-a-dead-end "procedure").
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Regardless of whatever someone continually churns out (supposing to be encouraging platitudes) thinks, any "answer" HAS to be a sledge hammer "out-of-the-blue" to the "HASBRO TOY HABITAT," and that [answer] isn't following the same tried-and-lost lemming "instinct" of cooperating/playing along with/requesting/demanding/pleading/begging that they (IRS) just somehow "do what is right", etc.
Too many "like-minded" non-thinkers [are] continually posting no-where theoretical "hopes" and alleged "maybe" procedure answers/suggestions [that] are just like in-grown hairs - spinning around and around and around and just getting nowhere but more infected/toxic by the day.
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And, what, pray-tell, is SaintPaul's solution? What is the "sledge hammer" that will finally "work"???? For the marvelous answer, read on:
That "sledge hammer" just may be the knowledge (and therefore pertinent application/use) of the history of the Admiralty jurisdiction policy since 1938, and things like the Affidavit of Material Facts, the 11th Amendment, U.C.C. procedures, etc. which have been revealed from time to time on this forum, regardless of Pete's declared position of keeping the CTC concept "clean" and "simple" [ . . . .]
Good grief. Again, the blind leading the blind.....
As you now know, free2live, there is no "approved," thought-out, standard CTC method to protecting yourself [ . . . .] once you have committed yourself ala CTC filings.
I wish that it were not so, but in the "real" world, especially Pete, has no "real" answer [sic]. The machinery of a meat-grinder does not clog/stop when flesh and blood is put into it. Just ask that Chinese student of Tennemen [sic] Square. There's no difference here.
The above does not reflect any change in my position, faith and belief in the CTC fight. It is merely a sobering observation that one definition of "insanity" is thinking that repeatedly repeating the same circumstance/procedure will somehow yield a different result. And, my motivation is not any reward in this life or the next. That's the anthem of a demogogue [sic]. My motivation IS the rule of law, and that that law can and must apply to me just as it seemingly has to other CTC-filers that HAVE received their property refunds with no subsequent follow-up demands for the "return" of it "back" on nothing more than a no-basis-in-law "policy" designed/intended only for ultimate control of every living being.
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