The Moneychanger

[Number Six]

http://the-moneychanger.com/dangerous.phtml

There are usually at least two sides to a story. I did a quick search, did not turn up much on this fellow. I'm offering the link for the record, and if anyone here wants to comment on the prosecution or Mr. Sanders' position.

[Pottapaug1938]

http://the-moneychanger.com/dangerous.phtml

There are usually at least two sides to a story. I did a quick search, did not turn up much on this fellow. I'm offering the link for the record, and if anyone here wants to comment on the prosecution or Mr. Sanders' position.

It's fascinating to see how many people get so hung up on Article I, Section 10 that they forget to read Article I, Section 8, and see how Congress has power to "coin money, and regulate the value thereof". I suspect, also, that this guy reads "includes" and sees "is limited to".

[bmielke]

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case? ... 0000000004 His case with the city of Bartlett, TN over his "business". They wanted him to pay for a business license. He appealed Pro Se.

http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case? ... 0000000004 His TN Supreme Court Appeal for the criminal thing.

[LDE]

On the one hand, the guy is an idiot. He didn't get an answer on his revenue question from the state tax office so he just proceeded not to charge sales tax on the sale of gold and silver coins. (This is taxable in Texas, too, unless the purchase exceeds $1,000.) A reasonable businessman would have called a lawyer rather than trying to self-decide the law.

On the other hand, there is no excuse for the common practice of sending SWAT teams to arrest non-violent offenders, and I believe him when he says his wife is innocent but they charged her to get him to plead guilty. Typical out-of-control behavior by cops and prosecutors, especially here in Dixie. Bottom line: the government is pitiless, liberty is a memory, law enforcement is brutal, and that's exactly how your fellow Southerners want it to be.

[bmielke]

On the other hand, there is no excuse for the common practice of sending SWAT teams to arrest non-violent offenders

I actually don't buy this part of the story. He lives in Barlett, and by his own admission on other websites he says he lives on a farm in Middle Tennessee. I don't believe a SWAT team would be used. We just don't have that many of them. I think it likely long guns were in hand, I think bullet proof vests were in evidence, but I don't believe it was a SWAT operation.

Remember in Middle Tennessee everyone has a gun in their house, some of us have several, some of us more then several. Most everyone keeps at least one loaded gun around unless they have small children.

It is not unreasonable to assume that a tax cheat would fight it out. He was also probably doing business with lots of sovrun types, maybe a few survialist and milita types. The latter would probably fight it out. He said the feds questioned his church about "Militia Training" they wouldn't ask that out of the blue.

[Harvester]

Hmm, fascinating insight to the Quatloos mindset. I wonder, if one were to study those who Quatlosers consider "idiots" . . .

http://the-moneychanger.com/daily/DailyFile5.htm

[Famspear]

Hmm, fascinating insight to the Quatloos mindset. I wonder, if one were to study those who Quatlosers consider "idiots" . . .

There isn't really a "Quatloos mindset" -- unless you consider psychologically normal thinking to be a "mindset" -- so, I can see how Harvester would consider psychologically normal thinking to be a "mindset."

[Harvester]

Famspire, you're such an accomplished liar I'm concerned for your well-being. This is a program of forgiveness after all, and I'm quite willing to forgive, but you've gotta show a little remorse. There's still time for you to repent, but when all is revealed . . . well, all bets are off. And as I understand, for certain crimes (crimes against humanity) there will be no forgiveness.

Sanders hails from TN so here is: The Battle of Athens, Tennessee

[Gregg]

Hmm, fascinating insight to the Quatloos mindset. I wonder, if one were to study those who Quatlosers consider "idiots" . . .

Not a whole lotta argument about you anyhow

[Nikki]

Harvester:

What ever happened to your predictions about Pete?

At last report, despite the words from your crystal ball, he is in prison, serving an approximately three year term.

Also, since Doreen isn't in jail on contempt charges. the two of them must have filed a non-CtC return.

Who will your next guru be?

Harvester: do you totally lack the balls to answer a few simple questions?

[Famspear]

Famspire, you're such an accomplished liar I'm concerned for your well-being. This is a program of forgiveness after all, and I'm quite willing to forgive, but you've gotta show a little remorse. There's still time for you to repent, but when all is revealed . . . well, all bets are off. And as I understand, for certain crimes (crimes against humanity) there will be no forgiveness.

No, you are a liar. In the year that you and I have been interacting, you have yet to identify even one falsehood you believe I have stated. You haven't even tried.

No, you are not concerned for my well-being. You are lying again. (see edit below)

No, this is not a program of forgiveness. This is a forum for exposing scams, such as tax scams.

Can the crap about "crimes against humanity," son. Nobody buys your crap. You're a phony.

EDIT: Actually, here you're probably just being sardonic or sarcastic; it's just that you're so insincere that making these kinds of distinctions doesn't much matter.

[notorial dissent]

Famspear, a liar is a liar is a liar, and eventually they get to the point where they can't even tell they are lying themselves, and Harvey the happy hamster has long since gone past that point.

[LPC]

Famspire, you're such an accomplished liar I'm concerned for your well-being. This is a program of forgiveness after all, and I'm quite willing to forgive, but you've gotta show a little remorse. There's still time for you to repent, but when all is revealed . . . well, all bets are off. And as I understand, for certain crimes (crimes against humanity) there will be no forgiveness.

I'm going to put this in the only terms you're capable of understanding: F___ you.

I've got you on "ignore," but other people keep responding to you, and so I continue to see the results of your evil verbal diarrhea, and I just want you to know that this Quaker, who wants to believe that there is that of God in everyone, thinks that you are a worthless piece of crap.

[ashlynne39]

Harvester:

Also, since Doreen isn't in jail on contempt charges. the two of them must have filed a non-CtC return.

Is there a way to check if they filed non-CTC returns? Would there be something in the court's file that would show this? Would be nice if someone local could pull the file and copy the proof and post it. Would love to see the response from the losthorizons folks, though I'm sure they'd come up with some sort of justification.

[Gregg]

Harvester:

Also, since Doreen isn't in jail on contempt charges. the two of them must have filed a non-CtC return.

Is there a way to check if they filed non-CTC returns? Would there be something in the court's file that would show this? Would be nice if someone local could pull the file and copy the proof and post it. Would love to see the response from the losthorizons folks, though I'm sure they'd come up with some sort of justification.

Dorreen not having her own "temporary address" is pretty good proof, as well as nothing on the docket that indicates the government has not notified the court that they did not cave in. Someone may know of any signs the LH crowd could not argue with. Although I hereby move that Harvester be sent as our delegate to LH to ask himself straight out if they did in fact file valid returns. If nothing else I'm sure he'd get banned over there for bringing it up.

[Harvester]

"delegate" ha! "hey, let's get Mikey"
"yeah, he'll eat anything. Hey Mikey"

I can tell ya without even asking; None of us will ever sign a false confession, a false return.

C'mon guys, group hug . . . .

[Imalawman]

I can tell ya without even asking; None of us will ever sign a false confession, a false return.

Just like Petey would never be sentenced and how he wouldn't spend a day in jail, right? I really think you're either 16 yrs old or mentally ill.

[bmielke]

Sanders hails from TN so here is: The Battle of Athens, Tennessee

Sanders hails from West Tennessee, your story is from East Tennessee, they are two completely different mind sets.

The "hillbillies" of East are vastly different from the "rednecks" of West. During the Civil War East Tennessee mainly supported the Union there were few slaves in the ease, it's mountainous and farming is mainly animals. Today the main industries are manufacturing, mining, and timber. In the west there are thousands, maybe even millions of flat easily farmable acres. cotton, corn, and soybeans rule the day.

Then you have the cities, East has Knoxville home of UT, and Chattanouga. West has Memphis the most dangerous city in Tennessee and Jackson the "Western Capital" as I call it. Tennessee has three divisions across the entire government. Our appeals courts have sections in Jackson, Nashville, and Knoxville, and our supreme court meets in each city every year.

The battle of Athens, sounds like an interesting story, it may have happened that way, it would never be allowed to go down that way today. I am very concerned that you are moving towards violence Harvey.

[Gregg]

"delegate" ha! "hey, let's get Mikey"
"yeah, he'll eat anything. Hey Mikey"

I can tell ya without even asking; None of us will ever sign a false confession, a false return.

C'mon guys, group hug . . . .

I'm not just sending you on a suicide mission because you're an idiot who would not be missed (although that's a hard statement to argue with) but the fact is, Pete has for years been afraid to even let us post on his forum, can't have the truth getting in the way of the book sales after all.

So come on, I double dog dare you to ask. Unlike making a spectacle of yourself here this would take some balls, you'd likely be banned at one of the few places in human civilization where you're not ridiculed and a strong candidate for village idiot.

chicken? stand tall warrior?

[Evil Squirrel Overlord]

I can tell ya without even asking; None of us will ever sign a false confession.

Then the FEMA camps are not working you hard enough.