The Real LB Bork Thread

[Arthur Rubin]

And, believe it or not... You "people (used loosely)" are not at the top of my list. Sorry, but I find you and yours here as more of an annoyance. My time is best spent leading people out of deception and into the ways of God. In regard, this last PAC E Letter has a strong message. You may want to view:

http://www.pacgroups.us/eletter/post/NL_0211.php

Interesting movie. Unfortunately, you are the one trying to maintain ignorance.

[Judge Roy Bean]

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Oh, and the Latin of the DOJ Seal was translated by someone that has studied the language for 40 years. ...

Dogs chase cars most of their lives; doesn't mean they know how to drive.

[Judge Roy Bean]

Sorry I do not make much sense... Must be the high IQ I maintain...

"The smaller the mind the greater the conceit."
Aesop

[Gregg]

Hey, Greg.... I really thought you would be at church this morning ;~)

I'm an athiest, this is also well known

Sorry I do not make much sense... Must be the high IQ I maintain; and also being in the top 1% in mechanical aptitude in the United States. Sorry if you have trouble keeping up.

I went to an Ivy League School on a scholarship when I was 15 years old, and I don't play any sports, quite a few people think I'm pretty bright. I also founded a company that builds race car parts that made me a few dollars, so I'd call myself fairly mechanical in aptitude, too.

On that note, there is no Easter Bunny... Sorry to say.

And, retarded monkey marching band... LOL. The one on cymbals would be a hoot!

Will not be here for awhile... Better things to do you know.
Keep my thread here a goin'... Great for "business (for lack of better words).
It is almost up to the numbers of the UCC/Redemption thread. Thanks Wes!
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p.s. Forgot to tell Wes that my name is not "Brett"... That is disinfo form that idgit Chris Hansen of Family Guardian (idiot). There is a Brett Farve that used to play for the Packers in Wisconsin. What a "tool" he turned out to be. Also, I have no idea where that "Len" thing came from either. More weirdness.

I get the feeling you could talk for two hours and not say a word. Or one worth hearing, anyhow.

[wserra]

And Wes, assumption is the mother of all defamation tort actions.

BTW, Lenny, that post certainly looks like a threat to sue me for defamation. You made it almost six months ago. Nothing has happened since.

I have not made a Bar complaint in some time. Any merit? I and others think that there is.

That certainly looks like a threat to make a disciplinary complaint against me. Five months ago. I even gave you the address to which to send it. Nothing.

And, believe it or not... You "people (used loosely)" are not at the top of my list. . . . Blah, blah, blah

Didn't think so.

[Pottapaug1938]

Sorry I do not make much sense... Must be the high IQ I maintain;

It's for people like this that I came up with the term "mentally musclebound".

and also being in the top 1% in mechanical aptitude in the United States. Sorry if you have trouble keeping up.

In other words, stick to using your hands, not your brain.

[LaVidaRoja]

Can not resist (blame the brandy) Or using his hands on his braibn......

[Maltese Falcon]

Sorry I do not make much sense... Must be the high IQ I maintain; and also being in the top 1% in mechanical aptitude in the United States. Sorry if you have trouble keeping up.

Oh, the vapors!

If you were truly gifted, you wouldn't need to maintain your IQ.

Also, aren't you lowering your standards comparing your Da Vinci like intellect with the rest of that 14th Amendment tainted United States? Man, you need to let go of those Socialist ideals like aptitude testing and let your intellect soar like an eagle! But do it safely, away from the corrupting influences on the internet.

[Thule]

Sorry I do not make much sense... Must be the high IQ I maintain;

It's normal to feel smarter when you're drunk. But you shouldn't try to maintain it over long time. Bad for the liver.

[Prof]

Having looked at the e-mails from "Jurist" and the "Red Amendment" web site, I would suggest that Mr. Bork has been relatively unsuccessful in maintaining his high IQ.

These materials demonstrate a significant departure from the unquestioned history of the creation and ratification of the 13th and 14th Amendment. Further, the suggestion that the Congress, lacking a quorum under the rules of parliamentary proceedure, could only adjurn after the secession of the Confederate States certainly misunderstands the difference between a governing body and government and Robert's Rules of Order. The statements made are also mistaken as to Robert's Rules, for the Southern States withdrew from the U.S. --resigned so to speak. Mr. Bork should review to understand that type of event.

In other words, Mr. Bork seems to me to be very mistaken in his initial analysis of the impact of the Civil War on civil government in the (remaining) U.S. Thereafter, the North -- the U.S. -- conquered the C.S.A. and reincorporated the CSA states into the U.S.

[The Observer]

Holy cow! A situation that calls for the vengeance of the Robert's Rules Of Order Rangers!

[notorial dissent]

Having looked at the e-mails from "Jurist" and the "Red Amendment" web site, I would suggest that Mr. Bork has been relatively unsuccessful in maintaining his high IQ.
I think this goes without saying.
These materials demonstrate a significant departure from the unquestioned history of the creation and ratification of the 13th and 14th Amendment. Further, the suggestion that the Congress, lacking a quorum under the rules of parliamentary proceedure, could only adjurn after the secession of the Confederate States certainly misunderstands the difference between a governing body and government and Robert's Rules of Order. The statements made are also mistaken as to Robert's Rules, for the Southern States withdrew from the U.S. --resigned so to speak. Mr. Bork should review to understand that type of event.
In fact they demonstrate either a complete cluelessness about the realities of history, or a deliberate fantacizing of what happened for his own purposes.
In other words, Mr. Bork seems to me to be very mistaken in his initial analysis of the impact of the Civil War on civil government in the (remaining) U.S. Thereafter, the North -- the U.S. -- conquered the C.S.A. and reincorporated the CSA states into the U.S.
I do not believes that there is any "seems" about it. Bork is totally and completely WRONG in his analysis, if you want to give poor fiction and abuse of the English language that much dignity. The plain fact of the matter is that Bork is WRONG on all of the fantasy that he is propounding as received wisdom. I don't pretend to be an expert on Bork's fantasies, but so far everything he has gone on about has been the poorest of fiction.

[Nikki]

Bork; like most of the TPs, sovereignorami, paytriots, and their kin; starts with a conclusion.

He then mines the Internet and whatever other sources he can locate, misquotes or misinterprets legitimate material, blindly relies on incorrect information, and flat-out lies to get to where he started.

He and his ilk care about nothing other than supporting their foregone conclusions.

If it weren't for the pity that they are constantly drawing others into their delusional webs, they would be nothing more than marginal comic relief.

[Cathulhu]

Bork; like most of the TPs, sovereignorami, paytriots, and their kin; starts with a conclusion.

He then mines the Internet and whatever other sources he can locate, misquotes or misinterprets legitimate material, blindly relies on incorrect information, and flat-out lies to get to where he started.

He and his ilk care about nothing other than supporting their foregone conclusions.

If it weren't for the pity that they are constantly drawing others into their delusional webs, they would be nothing more than marginal comic relief.

What he said! Note how abusive he instantly becomes with anyone who doesn't gratify his narcissism. Courteous, reasoned discourse is far beyond that "maintained IQ". I doubt he can solve a sudoku.

[GlimDropper]

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p.s. I have noted that PAC generally beats the Quattards site on Google searches. Must have something to do with the popularity of the web portal configuration.
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Be that as it may (or may not be). I just took a look at Mr.Bork's PAC "Not My Government" forum and an amusing set of numbers jumped out:

Our Members have made 2082 Posts within 370 Topics.

We have 518 registered members

LB Bork
NMG Global Moderator
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Posts: 1612

So, if his board statistics are correct Mr.Bork has made 1612 of the 2082 posts on his forum. 517 of his members contribute about 23% of the comments, he provides all the rest. Maybe Mr.Bork is just more comfortable expressing himself in a group which let's him have nearly all the say.

[Maltese Falcon]

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p.s. I have noted that PAC generally beats the Quattards site on Google searches. Must have something to do with the popularity of the web portal configuration.
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Be that as it may (or may not be). I just took a look at Mr.Bork's PAC "Not My Government" forum and an amusing set of numbers jumped out:

Our Members have made 2082 Posts within 370 Topics.

We have 518 registered members

LB Bork
NMG Global Moderator
**
Posts: 1612

So, if his board statistics are correct Mr.Bork has made 1612 of the 2082 posts on his forum. 517 of his members contribute about 23% of the comments, he provides all the rest. Maybe Mr.Bork is just more comfortable expressing himself in a group which let's him have nearly all the say.

lol.

If you plan on going deeper, reading all of the threads on there, you'll realize that there's a certain disorder to the whole thing. I don't think his members understand his complex (read: moronic) organization system, which is why we're not seeing active participation. There are too many boards and nobody knows where to post! These kinds of things really stifle what could be a happening patriot forum. If Bork aimed for simplicity, he could have more members, and ergo, more marks.

Another thought I want to get out, now that we're speculating - I wonder how much money he has made from his scam. 518 members, Nationality correction ($450)+ membership ($300), or his book ($30, deluxe $35). He claims that he has been around 10 years, though I'm not sure how long those forums have been around (maybe five?).

518 * (450 + 300 + 30) = $404,040
It's a flawed calculation, I don't know anything about married couples (which is no different than another person), or children (interestingly enough, his Nationality correction form doesn't mention children, so I wonder if there's a special undisclosed variable rate on them). I also don't know if every forum member went through the process, as well as the number of people who went through the process who aren't on the forums. I also don't know how much money he has made in book sales alone.

Though I'm still confident that number is the low ball park figure. Though I would never say higher than 1 million over 10 years. He's just not that big of a fish, and he knows it. He admits that other scammers steal his material to a greater success, even though his 14th Amendment theory isn't new at all. Well, they say that what goes around comes around.

[buck09]

p.s. Forgot to tell Wes that my name is not "Brett"... That is disinfo form that idgit Chris Hansen of Family Guardian (idiot). There is a Brett Farve that used to play for the Packers in Wisconsin. What a "tool" he turned out to be. Also, I have no idea where that "Len" thing came from either. More weirdness.

The people who I know that know you personally all refer to you as Len (and I think Lenny, but I might not be remembering right). Yeah dude, we have acquaintances in common, and they're your fans. Haven't heard much about you from them in the last year or so... Sovereign Idiots can be fickle that way, there's always a new delusion to get excited about. Hopefully they'll get to re-kindle things and I'll show up and meet you in person. If I do, I won't identify my self, but I'll be sure to post a cameraphone pic.

The "Brett" part came from the $12,923.20 delinquent tax warrant on Dept. of Revenue vs. LEONARD BORK Grant County Case Number 1999TW000372, which went to General Delivery, Kieler, WI.

I'm glad to see you're good at mechanical stuff. I was starting to think you were 100% useless - you're closer to 0.1% on the "meaningful contributions to society" scale.

[JamesVincent]

Ya know, the last time I took the ASVAB, a test I doubt you ever took, I scored a 95 out of 99. The mechanical aptitude section I scored a perfect on, I believe a 146 out of 146. Average score on the test I believe is about 45 and your only required to score an 18 ( unless they changed it again) to enlist in the military. I built my first engine when I was 13 and my first car when I was 16. Which proves I know jack about Constitutional Law and interpretation. Whatever you think or want people to think about how smart you are, trust me, theres smarter and better. As good as I am with cars and what not, guarantee you Gregg is a piss load better than me. And I have a friend that builds tube chassis for some of the most famous racers out there thats probably better then Gregg. Its the nature of life and people that there are better and smarter people out there.

Having said all that, your still an idiot since you cant even understand one of the most basic and simplest of ideas, that sometimes you do have to believe what you read, because it is the truth.

[wserra]

Bork has a new screed up which he calls "The Origin of Sovereign Citizens". The thought process, such as it is, is pretty transparent: "Sovereign citizens are getting a lot of press lately. I have the same four acolytes that I had two years ago. Let's reach out for some sovereign types." The writing is no different from the past; he still refers to the same "many people" who have "discovered" that the Fourteenth Amendment is the root of all evil. He names none of them - other, of course, than himself. But it's funny - remember how Lenny was so insistent that he was not a "sovereign citizens"? That appears to have changed:

it appears that those factions invested in the deception have labeled all truth-seekers as Sovereign Citizens in order to demonize them.

Feeling demonized? Pay Lenny.

He goes on through the usual nonsense: states are actually independent nationalities, the 14th created an "alternate system" "de facto government" and so forth. There is the usual quota of simple dumb shit:

The 14th Amendment empowers corporations with property rights and protections just as if they were people. That was the true purpose of the Civil War.

History according to Bork. We've seen, discussed and laughed at it before.

However, I think we can take pride that Lenny has added a new class of demon: lawyers. In the same manner that the quacks who sell herbal "cures" for cancer tell their marks to avoid doctors, Lenny tells his to avoid lawyers:

attorneys believe they have a monopoly on the law, wherefore (sic) keep their "trade secrets" to themselves . . . to protect their monopoly and stream of enormous income

Well, perhaps Lenny can point me to my "stream of enormous income", whatever that is. Hundred-foot-long FRNs? But it's pretty clear why Bork wants his marks to avoid lawyers.

Finally, Lenny names names:

Short List of Perpetrators

Attorneys/Professionals Maintaining the System

Quatloos : http://www.quatloos.com
Owner, Jay Adkisson : http://www.jayadkisson.com

Red Crayons : http://www.redcrayons.net
Owner, JJ MacNab : http://www.deathandtaxes.com

Daniel Evans : http://www.evans-legal.com

Gee, Lenny. I made the cut last time. You even threatened to sue me or make a disciplinary complaint against me. Have I been too nice?

[Judge Roy Bean]

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Gee, Lenny. I made the cut last time. You even threatened to sue me or make a disciplinary complaint against me. Have I been too nice?

Yep.