Moderator: Burnaby49
Wake Up! Productions wrote:Do you know what really sucks? Assuming the 22 months is true, and assuming Dean does it all, he will be out before his domain http://deanclifford.info/ expires. Damn, I wanted to buy it while he was in the can.
The 22 months puts his release date at November 8, 2017. His domain expires November 30, 2017.
Much thanks Wes.wserra wrote:I'm pretty sure it was sarcasm, but it could have been dramatic irony, metaphor, bathos, puns, parody, litotes or satire. Glim knows all the tricks.arayder wrote:Hold on, pard. Me and Ninij have had our disagreements but I'd me the last person to claim that he "hates freedom". I think your question is presumptious.But Ninj, why do you hate freedom?
And I supplied much of that paperwork. Ninja and I are on the opposite side of the fence but share a few strongly held opinions. If you claim something works prove it, don't con other suckers into taking the fall for you. And don't claim losses as victories.bmxninja357 wrote: and the way these scholars lap up the university of youtube and call it evidence..... makes me angry. doing your own research means a law library, real world experience and common freeking sense. if magic words meant you didnt have to do what the rest of the world does everyone would already be doing it. literally everyone.
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so deaner did nothing there. his beater trucks the dupes paid for all sat in impound because no one paid for poor dean to be an irresponsible asshole. dean has no wins. not criminally or civilly. and anyone who thinks he does can find all the paperwork on this forum. the freedom movement has been scammed by mack daddy clifford......
peace,
ninj
EPIC RANT !!!bmxninja357 wrote:sorry, fell into a rant there.
i need a drink and a reefer.....
i can do both those cuz unlike deaner im not currently in jail for being the dumbest dipstick in the assclown salad.
peace,
ninj
Move forward two years to October 2015. We cut the discussion off because it was getting too long (96 pages, 1,913 posts) and started this new discussion;Turning Dickensian, this could be called a Tale of Two Gurus, as the histories, success, and failure of its two main actors, Robert-Arthur: Menard, and Dean Clifford, are closely intertwined. These two are the leading Freeman-on-the-Land gurus, and while I have not observed them in open conflict, they nevertheless are clearly rivals. The rise of one has been accompanied by the ruin of the other,
Their histories have indeed intertwined but one's rise has not been accompanied by the other's fall this time because they are now both totally discredited. Möwe had this to say about Dean right off the bat;
Clifford, on the other hand, positioned himself as a blue-collar dude who had woken up, had enough, and was going to get everyone out from the yoke placed by malevolent forces. His approach was confrontation – he’d fought off the CRA, the cops, and you could too.
At least to the casual observer that would seem to be where Clifford's career as a counter-state resistor had begun. But unknown to his Freeman customers and myself, Clifford had first learned of and developed his ideas in a separate subculture, the Canadian Skinhead, NeoNazi and White Supremacist communities. This fact only recently was broadly disseminated thanks to a combination of disgruntled Skinhead ex-customers, and anti-racist monitor organizations. The most detailed information is courtesy of Anti-Racist Canada:
In a sense this is not really a surprise – the White Supremacist community was for a long time a primary marketplace in Canada for De-Taxer concepts. Early gurus David-Kevin: Lindsay (extensively profiled in Meads v. Meads, 2012 ABQB 571 at paras. 100-108) and Eldon Warman (http://www.detaxcanada.org) had long marketed to this community, though at present belief and support among White Supremacist groups is pretty limited, as they have had many opportunities to watch the failure of these ideas at close quarters. In fact, it’s not unusual to see these ideas openly mocked in forums such as Stormfront.org.
- http://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.ca/20 ... es-to.html
http://anti-racistcanada.blogspot.ca/20 ... ested.html
So this is where Dean (aka "Sovereign") came from, and then abruptly emerged into the Freeman-on-the-Land limelight. Clifford now makes no mention of his racist background, and while he is, in certain senses, a ‘kinder, gentler Dean’, he still remains a far more militant personality than Menard. In fact, Clifford has much similar in his attitudes and operations to the old-school U.S. Sovereign Citizen gurus who emerged from a similar context, however he's smart enough to know that he will lose much of his customer base if he expresses overtly racist attitudes - it's just not that popular in Canada.
WILLIAM (BILL) CLIFFORD
It is with great sadness our family announces the passing of our father, husband and grandfather on January 1, 2016, with family at his side. He is survived by his wife Eliza, son David, grandsons Darren and Dean, daughters-in-law Tinda and Lorraine, granddaughter Courtney, sister-in-law Nora, and numerous nieces, nephews and friends. William (Billy) was born on March 23, 1922 in Belfast, Northern Ireland. He grew up in a tough part of Belfast but changed his rough ways when he met and fell in love with Eliza Jane Murphy. They married in 1945 and had two sons, David and Bill. The family immigrated to Winnipeg in 1952 and Dad was employed by the C.N.R. as a machinist until his retirement in 1986. William was a kind and generous man and helped many family and friends achieve their goals over the years A special thanks to two great friends Albert and Victor for their help in these troubled times. Many thanks to great neighbours as well. The family would like to thank the doctors and staff for their kindness and care of William in his final days. Cremation has taken place and a celebration of his life will follow in the spring of 2016. Bardal Funeral Home.
So "Exploited" was right about Dean "playing the sick grandfather card" at the November 5th hearing. I'll be damned.Burnaby49 wrote:Dean might have been quiet recently because of distractions from family issues. His grandfather just died;
WILLIAM (BILL) CLIFFORD
It is with great sadness our family announces the passing of our father, husband and grandfather on January 1, 2016, with family at his side. He is survived by his wife Eliza, son David, grandsons Darren and Dean, daughters-in-law Tinda and Lorraine, granddaughter Courtney, sister-in-law Nora, and numerous nieces, nephews and friends. William (Billy) was born on March 23, 1922 in Belfast, Northern Ireland. He grew up in a tough part of Belfast but changed his rough ways when he met and fell in love with Eliza Jane Murphy. They married in 1945 and had two sons, David and Bill. The family immigrated to Winnipeg in 1952 and Dad was employed by the C.N.R. as a machinist until his retirement in 1986. William was a kind and generous man and helped many family and friends achieve their goals over the years A special thanks to two great friends Albert and Victor for their help in these troubled times. Many thanks to great neighbours as well. The family would like to thank the doctors and staff for their kindness and care of William in his final days. Cremation has taken place and a celebration of his life will follow in the spring of 2016. Bardal Funeral Home.
I take it we're talking about a bit more than a one drink and reefer night.bmxninja357 wrote:here is a song for the deaner, and anyone who follows deaner can sing it too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biHJ6S91xBY
i dont think im done ranting tonight. i got a few things to say and i think they might come out. unlike dean who wont come out. he is busy this year with his new friends.
ninj
Oh, I don't know; self-respect maybe. If you can shed that and any sense of self-worth then maybe welfare is just the ticket for you.Welfare Lover wrote:"In the post I was replying to Ninj did a real good job of pointing out the irony in Quatloos being acknowledged as a news source by some freeman fellow travelers without them having the intellectual honesty to address the arguments made here."
Not to pick a fight on my first post, but it might be like some papers. Good for sports scores, but that don't mean yu agree with the opinions.
My neighbor told me about the soverein citisen movement, and tried to get me involved. Been reading up on some forums about these freeman types. I can't believe some people are so stupid! He works his ass off and earns barely more than I do staying home collecting welfare and doing side jobs when I want! Why would I want that to change?
I assume you are American?Welfare Lover wrote:whatevs... i get free money, have more time to myself, and i am not breaking the law. I do what the workers tell me, dont question and get my checks. I love the governmant. sum peeps pay taxs, sum colect tax and sum sit back and relax. you sound like a hater. this year i am going to mexico for 3 weeks and the govermant is payin for it!
Maybe. Regular freeman beliefs are so close to parody that it can be hard to tell the difference. But sucking off the state while contributing nothing falls right in line with John Spirit's latest series of videos. As John said;Jeffrey wrote:I think he's being sarcastic and using Dean's latest talking point that freeman critics are welfare queens.
Rock core fundamental Freemanism.So a natural right that we see expressed in the covenants is that a man or a woman has the right to have an adequate living. It doesn't say you have to earn it, it doesn't say you have to pursue after it, it doesn't say you have to create this adequate living on your own.
