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notorial dissent wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:43 pm
jonathan01n wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:38 am Those freeman always claim DVLA owns your / everyone else car, why they think like that :?: :?:
Because rationality isn't in their wheelhouse?????

Probably for the same level of stupid that US sovcits think registering your vehicle means that the state owns it.
It's the same rationale as claiming your children belong to the state if you register their birth and, utterly bizarrely, the state can't take your children into care if you don't register their birth.

In the case of cars it's confused, in the heads of morons at least, because the V5 states that it is not proof of ownership. Therefore to the little mouse inside their heads operating the levers* it's proof of non-ownership.

Strangely they have a fetish for sending their nonsense notices, oaths and affidavits by registered mail although logically it would mean the document belonged to the post office.

* No offence to mice. I've kept them as pets and they are charming, amusing and intelligent little creatures which is more than can be said for the average footler.
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longdog wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:28 pm
* No offence to mice. I've kept them as pets and they are charming, amusing and intelligent little creatures which is more than can be said for the average footler.
Well, they (the mice, not the footlers) are pan-dimensional beings who constructed the earth and would have found the answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything, if it weren't for those pesky Vogons building a hyper-spatial bypass.
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longdog wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:28 pm
notorial dissent wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:43 pm
jonathan01n wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:38 am Those freeman always claim DVLA owns your / everyone else car, why they think like that :?: :?:
Because rationality isn't in their wheelhouse?????

Probably for the same level of stupid that US sovcits think registering your vehicle means that the state owns it.
It's the same rationale as claiming your children belong to the state if you register their birth and, utterly bizarrely, the state can't take your children into care if you don't register their birth.

In the case of cars it's confused, in the heads of morons at least, because the V5 states that it is not proof of ownership. Therefore to the little mouse inside their heads operating the levers* it's proof of non-ownership.

Strangely they have a fetish for sending their nonsense notices, oaths and affidavits by registered mail although logically it would mean the document belonged to the post office.

* No offence to mice. I've kept them as pets and they are charming, amusing and intelligent little creatures which is more than can be said for the average footler.
Honestly, a car is always a car regardless any registration at all. And a baby is a human being regardless any birth certificate/name. The whole point is
According to this https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/jurisdiction
You are inside uk territory, you are subjected to uk law.
You can destroy a car vin or plates, but the point is it is still a car, and therefore the relavent agency can seize it.
Your baby is a human being, and therefore subjected to the laws of the land regardless of nationality, or none at all. Stateless person are also subjected to British law, so do dipomates.
Criminal charges can be laid on a human being. They don’t need your name, they can use your photo and fingerprints obtained by pace. Or they can name the defendant UHB (unidentifiable human beings)
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noblepa wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:47 pm
longdog wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:28 pm
* No offence to mice. I've kept them as pets and they are charming, amusing and intelligent little creatures which is more than can be said for the average footler.
Well, they (the mice, not the footlers) are pan-dimensional beings who constructed the earth and would have found the answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything, if it weren't for those pesky Vogons building a hyper-spatial bypass.
My mice were called Franky and Benji thanks to H2G2 :mrgreen:
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jonathan01n wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:51 pm Your baby is a human being, and therefore subjected to the laws of the land regardless of nationality, or none at all. Stateless person are also subjected to British law, so do dipomates.
It's always a good wind up for the footlers as they never have an answer.

If people are only bound by the law if they have a birth certificate which 'creates joinder' why are people born in other countries still subject to the law?
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SANDY: That's your actual Latin.
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The Vatican, obviously.
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There seems to be a convergence of FOTLer dumbarsery right now, so it was difficult to decide on which topic to post it in.

John Paterson, who is an associate of Matt Taylor, the person who was convicted for harassing Katy Bourne, the Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner, has been arrested and his computers, phones and storage devices seized under a warrant which specifies it is related to Katy Bourne. Paterson is a close contact of Andy Devine, who has fled to Greece and who himself has been named in proceedings against Sabine McNeill, who is a co-conspirator of Neelu Berry in the Hampstead hoax. Andy Devine has posted a Facebook video in which, as well as spouting the usual FOTLer stupidity of Lawful Rebellion and Magna Carta, mentions that Edward "Equity Lawyer" Ellis is on his way to help Mr. Patterson.

If the police have seized his computers it could reveal a lot more about our usual suspects than they would wish to reveal. John regularly threatens to feed people into wood-chippers, so finding threatening emails isn't going to take long. It's the inbound correspondence I'm looking forward to hearing about!

https://www.facebook.com/andrew.devine. ... 169318253/

There are a lot more players involved, in respect of the CLC and this interleaved nest of stupidity, but I really don't have the time to document it all. However, it would seem that if Andy Devine is correct in his statements - and he showed a copy of the warrant so there is no need to disbelieve it - that the police will now be in possession of a great deal of information that will compromise a lot of the poots we have been dealing with on a regular basis! :snicker:
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Juisarian wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:32 pm The Vatican, obviously.
I've only recently discovered through my in depth research on YouTube, Facebook and lots of websites with the word 'truth' in them that the Vatican is run by the Jews.

The sneaky buggers thinking nobody would find out. I'm so glad I'm now woke.
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Give things a few months to be sorted out and a CPS with a sense of humour and we could have a massive spring cleaning trial of a whole hoard of related numpties, all at once. I have a feeling I got a woodchipper threat on a comment on a You Tube post once, that must have been the above named. :-)

It would be good to make an exception to the 'no camera' rule, it would make gripping television and may discourage the idiots.
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longdog wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:54 pm
Juisarian wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:32 pm The Vatican, obviously.
I've only recently discovered through my in depth research on YouTube, Facebook and lots of websites with the word 'truth' in them that the Vatican is run by the Jews.

The sneaky buggers thinking nobody would find out. I'm so glad I'm now woke.
Still you know nothing!!11!!

The Jews are actually controlled by the Babalonians, as any fule kno.
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I know nothing????!!!!!???

If you were woke like me you'd know the Bablyonians are Jews... Have you never heard of the Bablyionian Talmud?

DO YOU'RE RESERCH!!!!
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Don't pressure me, I have still got a quarter of the Epic of Gilgamesh to finish and then it's the Code of Hammurabi. My chances of reaching any Talmud this decade are slim.
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longdog wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:52 pm
noblepa wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:47 pm
longdog wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:28 pm
* No offence to mice. I've kept them as pets and they are charming, amusing and intelligent little creatures which is more than can be said for the average footler.
Well, they (the mice, not the footlers) are pan-dimensional beings who constructed the earth and would have found the answer to the meaning of life, the universe and everything, if it weren't for those pesky Vogons building a hyper-spatial bypass.
My mice were called Franky and Benji thanks to H2G2 :mrgreen:
Somewhere there is a sex doll called Trillian.
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AnOwlCalledSage wrote: Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:22 pm There seems to be a convergence of FOTLer dumbarsery right now, so it was difficult to decide on which topic to post it in.

John Paterson, who is an associate of Matt Taylor, the person who was convicted for harassing Katy Bourne, the Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner, has been arrested and his computers, phones and storage devices seized under a warrant which specifies it is related to Katy Bourne. Paterson is a close contact of Andy Devine, who has fled to Greece and who himself has been named in proceedings against Sabine McNeill, who is a co-conspirator of Neelu Berry in the Hampstead hoax. Andy Devine has posted a Facebook video in which, as well as spouting the usual FOTLer stupidity of Lawful Rebellion and Magna Carta, mentions that Edward "Equity Lawyer" Ellis is on his way to help Mr. Patterson.

If the police have seized his computers it could reveal a lot more about our usual suspects than they would wish to reveal. John regularly threatens to feed people into wood-chippers, so finding threatening emails isn't going to take long. It's the inbound correspondence I'm looking forward to hearing about!

https://www.facebook.com/andrew.devine. ... 169318253/

There are a lot more players involved, in respect of the CLC and this interleaved nest of stupidity, but I really don't have the time to document it all. However, it would seem that if Andy Devine is correct in his statements - and he showed a copy of the warrant so there is no need to disbelieve it - that the police will now be in possession of a great deal of information that will compromise a lot of the poots we have been dealing with on a regular basis! :snicker:
Anyone want to bet me a few million kindness credits its full of child porn?
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Gregg wrote: Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:37 am
Anyone want to bet me a few million kindness credits its full of child porn?
Come to it, now why do I not think that wouldn't be a sucker bet. :snicker:
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I've not seen this before but it's been linked to on PLD...

Want to get out of a parking fine or charge? You need New Improved Bills of Exchange Act and Something Something VAT...

http://boevat.org.uk/the-boevat-remedy/

When I say 'New Improved' what I really mean is a fundamental lack of understanding as to the nature of a Bill of Exchange and the idiotic idea that a load of other totally irrelevant statutes have any relevance whatsoever...
For every Notice of levy or charge you receive, you have the right to require an invoice, this was enshrined in the Bills of Exchange Act in 1882 which has been the bedrock of business-to-business transactions ever since it was enacted.
Private individuals enjoy the same protection under the Act.

Companies are not obliged to offer you a properly formatted invoice in the first instance, but once you formally require one they must either comply or cancel their demands immediately.

Many businesses will automatically generate a proper invoice when supplying goods or services to another business or to private individuals.

There are severe penalties for those who fail to comply with this requirement. Making repeated demands for payment without issuing a proper invoice when required can attract a custodial sentence of 7 to 10 years!
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It appears the Practical Lawful Dissent webshite dissented from the one true path...
Stuart Dinning

What's happened to the website?


David Robinson

If you mean lawfulrebellion. info then the creators took it down. They have moved on and to be blunt, didn't support the common law properly anyway.


Stuart Dinning

David Robinson I thought it was a bit different and to be honest completely misleading. Shame to hear another avenue of information distribution has gone, but no doubt for the best. Merry Christmas David and I hope 2019 is a better year 😊


David Robinson

Thanks Stuart. Yes it was a bit contradictory and also gave links to groups that use their legal claptrap to fight the regime which can be done under duress but will never remedy the treason. Have a great new year also....this is the year we take back our country.


Stuart Dinning

You too David Robinson . You’re right; 2019 is, the year of new beginnings!


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The website sucked. I was on it once a couple of years ago. Never was on it again.


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I miss the TPUC forum


David Robinson

But it was still full of double think even though much of the info was correct.....TPUC as FMOTL had no real strategy for change, they were using their rules ahgainst them which only provided those rules with credibility by using them.....why wouldn't they defend and use the common law constitution?
rip website. u r wiv da angles now in heven lik diana, jade and stalin :-(
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Meanwhile over on the council tax and everything else except the things I do is illegal page Joanna Cridlin has these wonderful words of advice for those compelled to attend the 'illegal' courts...

I've wasted a minute separating the solid block of drivel into paragraphs because she couldn't be arsed... You're welcome
Joanna Cridlin

At my last hearing I had 1 witness. It made some difference, having represented myself alone, the preceding 6 hearings, requesting adjournments, to be restored to my home under Recission.

I refused to stand in the dock, and the judge asked 'me' was I happy to sit next to the prosecution barrister. I was already asserting my position and it was respected...I am fearless, and spoke very forthrightly to the judge despite my knowledge being nil pointe! I stayed true to myself, and won everytime purely on my morals and integrity.

My higher awareness serves me well. Know yourself. Be authentic. I suprised all of them... My phone vibrated, at my hearing. The prosecution barrister (prefect upstart, in new uniform) raised his hand, "miss, she's using her phone."
Aggressive police called, took me outside court to see if I'd filmed.

Once verified I had not, the officer tried to influence the judge to lock me up, for contempt of court. But the judge, having seen me the last 4 occasions, knew I was an honest, good woman, ignored the plod and told me to "please have a seat."

I refused to engage in their statutory proceedings and read common law, documents, requesting the judge recuse herself.

Although taken aback and embarrassed by my delivery, more than once, she would not back down, out of pride. Honestly?

No one can truly prep, as every occasion was different, attending my hearings. But I do remember observing the judge studying me. I weighed her up psychologically too. Know your opponent. It doesn't take long to witness the pretence and theatrics. It amused me actually. Very bad acting. I come from theatre/ballet background, on stage very young.

Perhaps it helped....the judge's summing up, was that I had a good case (brilliant actually) but chose not to defend myself under their fiction, and therefore fined £1500, for re-entering my home that I was deprived, subsequent to being illegally evicted. A fine,

I'm only recently, being forced to pay, despite being anulled by a common law court in June, which has not stopped anything. And there you have it....ps getting help from others with success does not guarantee anything. I know this, from more than one experience
Yet another tragic example of how somebody with a good case... Brilliant actually according to the judge... Had their rights trampled because the fake system couldn't be seen to let her win her brilliant actually case. :roll:
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Oh, it's Joanna "my neighbours cook spicy food" Cridlin :haha:

So, to summarise. She was arrested for illegally entering her former property after being evicted and was fined £1,500. Can't be often that a magistrate comes up against such a brilliant legal mind.
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AnOwlCalledSage wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:49 pm Oh, it's Joanna "my neighbours cook spicy food" Cridlin :haha:

So, to summarise. She was arrested for illegally entering her former property after being evicted and was fined £1,500. Can't be often that a magistrate comes up against such a brilliant legal mind.
Have you noticed how every time the judge bows to the footler out of respect for their brilliant actually legal arguments, or otherwise praises said footler, we only get to hear it from the footler? But when we do get to see the judgements, the judge always corruptly hides the brilliant actually legal arguments or calls them delusional, pseudo-legal gibberish.

If that's not proof of the treasonous corruption I don't know what is... Actually.
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