UK - Neelu Berry opens my eyes

[CrankyBoomer]

Princess Nelly says something at about 2 mins in this video about SB being charged with something though as has been pointed out to me one has to take anything Nelly says with a lorry load of salt.

[longdog]

SmcN a child rights activist and Wilf Wong a political prisoner... And Hitler was an orthodox rabbi famous for his humanitarianism.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

That's remarkable. She used "alleged Satanic cults".

Sabine does not have an automatic right to be repatriated to Germany. There was mention that Germany were looking to intervene to get her sent back to serve the end of her sentence there and they have a looser regime in such matters so would probably be released earlier than if she finished her sentence in the UK. Sounds more like they got cold feet and have withdrawn their request rather than the UK is keeping her locked up for longer than her sentence. And even if that is not the case, it may also be inferred that she doesn't actually want to go back to Germany.

The Prison Service doesn't run a US style system where the BOP publishes release dates, but with time on remand and her GPS monitored bail she has less than a year until she would be released on licence anyway.

Neelu's intervention may actually harm her release. "Yes, my co-conspirator is completely unrepentant and still believes in the SRA nonsense that put her there" is probably not the ringing endorsement she thinks it is.

My understanding is that if Sabine has paid her UK NI contributions on her IT consultancy earnings, she is still entitled to her UK pension even if she is returned to Germany.

P.S. Neelu is not a qualified pharmacist.

[longdog]

Sabine does not have an automatic right to be repatriated to Germany. There was mention that Germany were looking to intervene to get her sent back to serve the end of her sentence there and they have a looser regime in such matters so would probably be released earlier than if she finished her sentence in the UK. Sounds more like they got cold feet and have withdrawn their request rather than the UK is keeping her locked up for longer than her sentence. And even if that is not the

I would have thought that not leaving the country without permission was one of the standard conditions of a licence. Particularly for somebody with dual citizenship.

[exiledscouser]

P.S. Neelu is not a qualified pharmacist.

And there’s the tragedy as she previously was just that. Until her professional body chucked her out and disqualified her from the role for conduct unbecoming. It’s not something you can achieve overnight, it’s a responsible job requiring dedication and years of study in order to qualify.

She is clearly an intelligent woman with a sharp brain, however I think she has become mentally ill, progressively so over the years, her all-consuming grievances gnawing away inside her. But I believe that she has been assessed at various times in her not infrequent brushes with authority where she was pronounced not sufficiently Radio Rental (“only one calorie, not mental enough” to paraphrase Mike Myers).

Or perfectly sane, depending how you spin things.

Maybe a spell with JP’s white-coated mates might actually assist her to finally deal with and address her problems.

[longdog]

I only allow communication in writing or by letter

...she communicates onto voicemail

Followed shortly after by...

You have reached the maximum length for voice messages. Goodbye

I'm pretty sure nobody is going to listen to more than the first minute, if that, before skipping to the next call.

[exiledscouser]

Operator: hold on caller, I’ll just put you through to the hanging up department

[AnOwlCalledSage]

And there’s the tragedy as she previously was just that. Until her professional body chucked her out and disqualified her from the role for conduct unbecoming. It’s not something you can achieve overnight, it’s a responsible job requiring dedication and years of study in order to qualify.

She is clearly an intelligent woman with a sharp brain, however I think she has become mentally ill, progressively so over the years, her all-consuming grievances gnawing away inside her.

A really good friend of mine was a pharmacist. (She worked at Boots in Piccadilly Circus where she told me most of the prescriptions were for methadone). She stopped to have a family and automatically her accreditation lapsed after a couple of years. Even if she hadn't been struck off, Neelu has not been a pharmacist for so long that she'd probably have to retake her initial degree to re-qualify.

She knows when to back off to avoid running foul of the law. She also engages real solicitors when faced with actual potential charges. It's her all-consuming grievances which is her problem. Personally I don't think she is mentally ill in the classical sense.

[longdog]

Personally I don't think she is mentally ill in the classical sense.

I'm inclined to agree. Colloquially speaking she's as mad as cheese but medically speaking probably not. Some part of her mechanism is obviously on the blink but she comes across, once you have been following her antics for a while, as a bit bonkers but mostly just a highly unpleasant person.

[SpearGrass]

To clarify a few things:

Ashok Mahajan was sentenced to an indefinite sentence for public protection (IPP), which had a very similar effect to a life sentence - you're incarcarated until the Parole Board deems you safe to release. According to his Crowd Funding page he was released in 2020. But he's liable to deportation as he's an Indian citizen.

On the £10,700 point, courts can impose bail subject to either a surety (like Assange) or a security, where the ££ is deposited with the court by the defendant and returned to them (with interest) at the end of the case if they surrender as ordered. So her husband might have been lodging a security on her behalf.

Equally, if she owed a fine and the court had issued a postponed commitment, the only way out of jail would be to pay up iin full.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

Equally, if she owed a fine and the court had issued a postponed commitment, the only way out of jail would be to pay up iin full.

Her sister was definitely fined when she and her husband were found guilty of multiple breaches of HMO legislation. I suspect she was picked up for failure to pay (my understanding is that you are jointly liable and if her husband had done a moonlight flit and they caught her first she would have been wholly responsible for satisfying the court fine). Payment of the court fine in lieu of being brought up against the beak has been wrongly reported by Neelu as being bail.

This is also where the erroneous idea that Neelu was a "slumlord" originated. Neelu, as far as I know, has only ever owned Peel Drive (although I guess she could have owned property before she moved there) and has never been a landlord.

[SpearGrass]

In crime defendants can be jointly or severally liable for the crime - so if they only catch one conspirator, that one can be charged - but there's no joint liability for a fine. If Mr was fined, it's Mr's fine. The only transfers possible are a child's fine to a parent, and it's not automatic.

However if the fine was being enforced by a distress warrant/warrant of control, the bailiffs would be carting off the contents of the family home, which would obviously impact on both parties to the marriage. We know that the Chaudhuri way with warrants of control is to leave them until the very last minute (e.g. when the car is being winched onto the lorry) and then stump up the ££.

[exiledscouser]

All of the above shows the quality of commentators and conversations on this site, a reminder that not all the internet is polluted by Trump or Covid conspiracies, aliens ate my hamster and other rubbish.

Except maybe cute kitty cat vids

[longdog]

Except maybe cute kitty cat vids

Are you deliberately trying to provoke me into a row that'll get me chastised by the mods... Again.

Everybody (who counts) knows that puppy dogs are cute and kitty cats are just plain rubbish!

[longdog]

In crime defendants can be jointly or severally liable for the crime - so if they only catch one conspirator, that one can be charged - but there's no joint liability for a fine. If Mr was fined, it's Mr's fine.

No doubt true but there's the possibility that Mr and Mrs Sister had a rental empire as Neelu's Sister & Husband (Slum Landlords (Ilford) Holdings) Ltd and it was that entity that got fined. That would make sister and husband as directors jointly and severally liable for the fine wouldn't it?

[John Uskglass]

Everybody (who counts) knows that puppy dogs are cute and kitty cats are just plain rubbish!

As someone who's transitioned from cats to dogs, I see where you're coming from. But to be fair, dogs have never been worshipped as part of the state religion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3M9bp1n97w

[Dr. Caligari]

Everybody (who counts) knows that puppy dogs are cute and kitty cats are just plain rubbish!

Hear, hear!

[Pottapaug1938]

After numerous childhood episodes where a dog sat near a table, whining and begging, as I tried to eat, and ready to snatch an unguarded morsel if my attention was directed elsewhere, my early childhood preference for cats was confirmed. Yes, many cats can be aloof, such as my grandcat Hazel; but I've also known cats which were friendly and affectionate -- and never begged for food.

[LaVidaRoja]

And I've had cats that would rip your arm off if you did not share the bacon!!
My husband had to learn the very hard way why NOT to feed the cat from the table!

[longdog]

Yes, many cats can be aloof..

I've shared my home with a Saluki for 17 years and they can knock any cat into a cocked hat when it comes to aloofness. It's much the same as the aloofness that makes people say you can't own a cat which is why I say share my home with her. When she first moved in thought she was either neurotic due to her previous neglect or thick. Over time I realised she was just a Saluki... Highly intelligent, affectionate to those she can be bothered with but not in the least bit interested in what I wanted unless it happened to coincide with what she wanted. Even thinking about training a Saluki is an exercise in futility and the best you can hope for is to persuade them not to do anything that will get themselves or somebody else killed.