UK - Neelu Berry opens my eyes

[SpearGrass]

That would make sister and husband as directors jointly and severally liable for the fine wouldn't it?

No. It's not possible to impose one fine on two people. Sentences can't be shared. Nor is the charge shared. There is a separate charge or information against each defendant.

The only person liable for a fine is the defendant it was imposed on. There is no possible way for Mr to be liable for Mrs' fine, even if they were both charged with the offence.

[longdog]

OK... So if a business entity gets fined and refuses to pay what then? Are you saying that the directors can effectively say "bollocks to you" to the courts and that's the end of the matter?

I'm not saying you are wrong but logic says there must be some means by which the courts can enforce payment. Contempt of court would seem to be the obvious option and you can certainly be jailed for that. Or does it then become a "civil" matter (note use of quotation marks) and the fine get treated as a "civil" debt leading to anything up to the company being insolvent.

Being banned from being a company director would seem logical but of course logic and the law are not necessarily always good bed-fellows.

[aesmith]

In so much as you can make any sense, it appears that Mr and Mrs Sister were both convicted, under their own names. And there seems to be some suggestion that one of their appeal attempts was by one of them only. To me this all suggests a prosecution with two defendants, rather than against a corporate body.
https://icj13.webs.com/evidence

Just by the by in Scotland if a property is jointly owned, the joint owners have to be named as joint landlords.

[SpearGrass]

OK... So if a business entity gets fined and refuses to pay what then? Are you saying that the directors can effectively say "bollocks to you" to the courts and that's the end of the matter?

This is starting to feel like the day job! We were talking about a husband and wife, not a business entity . One person can't be required to pay another person's fine (other than parents of children) and that's that.

But moving onto a business entity, if a limited company is fined, the limited company is liable and no-one else. The shareholders are liable up to the limit of their shareholding, as they would be for any other debt. But they aren' t personally liable. They couldn't be sent to prison or have their own goods seized. Enforcement would be against the company and that could include winding up. In fact voluntarily winding up companies and moving on is a fairly common ploy to frustrate enforcement and if NCES could pursue the shareholders they would, but they can't. Only if the directors were personally prosecuted could they become personally liable.

[longdog]

This is starting to feel like the day job! We were talking about a husband and wife, not a business entity .

Those two things are not mutually exclusive

[aesmith]

Isn't that just of acedemic interest unless someone has seen any evidence of a business? Something different for exmple than ...

MR HIMSWORTH: —in which, yes, both Mr Kumar, who sits furthest from me, and Miss Chaudhari, who sits one closer, were the defendants. So, they were prosecuted in both the Magistrates’ Court and then they appealed—

[SpearGrass]

Isn't that just of academic interest unless someone has seen any evidence of a business

I agree, they were clearly prosecuted as individuals. But the question of the liability of directors was raised too.

[YiamCross]

After numerous childhood episodes where a dog sat near a table, whining and begging, as I tried to eat, and ready to snatch an unguarded morsel if my attention was directed elsewhere, my early childhood preference for cats was confirmed. Yes, many cats can be aloof, such as my grandcat Hazel; but I've also known cats which were friendly and affectionate -- and never begged for food.

Hmm, dog will sit patiently under table with hopeful look on face, cat leaps onto table from nowhere and has face in dinner before I've had a chance to fend it off with a fork. They're all buggers for food when they've a mind to be.

[exiledscouser]

Neelu is on the case of a missing multi millionaire;

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... &source=48

For those that don’t FB it’s a link to what appears to be a wanted poster. Neelu is concerned that ::::Julian:::Fernandez of no-one’s particular family has been ‘disappeared’, indeed murdered!

It’s telling that her first port of call is to ring around various mental hospitals because, well, where else would you expect to find an associate of Neely?

The linked document is a smorgasbord of Sov Cit tomfoolery, there are stamps, thumb prints (this time in blue) and whacky declarations of various Footle nature. The red white and blue of the Stars and Stripes makes an inexplicable appearance top left.

What’s it all about I’m left wondering, what lies behind all this.

[Larry Spoons]

Last year she was investigating his death in February 2020. Perhaps she has forgotten:



It's one of the more entertaining Neelu videos, particularly the ending. It's clear that the staff at Durham NHS Trust know far more about GDPR than Neelu.

I see from the notes to the video that Fernandez was an acolyte of O'Bonkers.

[longdog]

Nice to see the '...oath to god maintain god's laws, to serve and protect god's children....' line ending in the usual way.... CLICK!

[exiledscouser]

“I’m just putting you through to the hanging up department”.

Superb.

[longdog]

One of the things I miss most about the world of work is hanging up on stroppy and unreasonable customers.

Customer: "I demand you come out and fix my machine this evening".

Me: "Sorry. We don't offer a 24/7 service and I'm going home".

C: "But production has stopped".

M: "We still don't offer a 24/7 service and I'm still going home".

C: "I DEMAND you attend this evening".

M: "No".

C: "Let me speak to the service manager"

M: "You are"

C: "Let me speak to your line manager"

M: "He's gone home and that's where I'm going right now. Good day to you sir" <click>

Seconds later... <ring ring>

C: "Did you hang up on me?"

M: "Yes" <click>

Seconds later... <ring ring>

C: "How dare you hang up on a cutom..." <click>

Seconds later... <ring ring>

C: "I...." <click>

Seconds later... <ring ring> <ring ring> <ring ring> <ring ring> <ring ring> <ring ring> <ring ring> etc.

I became even ruder when I went self-employed. The joys of having your customers over a barrel.

[Pottapaug1938]

My tax preparer says that one of the best thing about being self-employed is to tell a customer to... perform an anatomically different procedure with their head.

[Royalman]

One of the things I miss most about the world of work is hanging up on stroppy and unreasonable customers.

Ah - The old British Leyland approach to customer care. And we all know how that ended up.

[longdog]

One of the things I miss most about the world of work is hanging up on stroppy and unreasonable customers.

Ah - The old British Leyland approach to customer care. And we all know how that ended up.

British Leyland had competition who made better cars than them. I was one of three remaining service engineers in a specialist field that was slowly being overtaken by technology. One competitor had everything south of a line from The Wash to The Bristol Channel plus Wales and the other had Scotland and Cumbria. I had the rest and we didn't trespass on each other's territory (with a few agreed exceptions) or piss on each other's bonfire when we fell out with customers. That's why I say I had the customers over a barrel.

It was a lesson the company I worked for before going self employed had to learn more than once. They acted like their "service division", which was just me in effect, had their customers over a barrel but had to be reminded that meant that I had the company over a barrel too. Every so often the boss would get pissed off with this fact and start going all high and mighty with me in the mistaken belief that I needed the company more than it needed me. So I'd tell him to get fucked, go home, wait for the obsolete machinery to fail and production to grind to a halt and the inevitable phone call and apology.

It wasn't my attitude that killed my business it was cheap computer technology. I was getting so few calls that my hourly rate had to be beyond extortionate to make a living and eventually nobody wanted to pay it. I don't blame them and that was the end of an at times very lucrative period of self-employment.

[TheRambler]

One of the things I miss most about the world of work is hanging up on stroppy and unreasonable customers.

Ah - The old British Leyland approach to customer care. And we all know how that ended up.

British Leyland took it to another level, as I found out when I attempted to buy an Austin Princess. If you can dissuade the customer from buying your product in the first place you avoid all the subsequent hassle.

Looking back I should be grateful as they did me a favour!

TheRambler

[Normal Wisdom]

Looks like Neelu is facing a possession hearing for her sister's former house next week. I'm not sure what's going on in the last part of the video, where she is and just who it is that is agreeing with her about MPs 'stealing homes'.

[AnOwlCalledSage]

"...I've been living there since 2003..."

I assume she knows that she has posted videos of her clearly living elsewhere.

I'm not sure what's going on in the last part of the video, where she is and just who it is that is agreeing with her about MPs 'stealing homes'.

I think she's visiting the former offices of convicted fraudster Winston Leachman and arguing with the security desk of offices he previously rented. I think "agreeing" is doing too much work. It's more "humouring".

Suspended sentence for Essex man guilty of providing unqualified immigration advice and fraud

[longdog]

I think "agreeing" is doing too much work. It's more "humouring".

I think the guy is talking about the sale of council houses to be honest and he means they are being stolen from the people or something like that. It has, of course, fuck all to do with whatever it is Princess Nutbag is wibbling on about.