LostHead Wonders Why No Real Attorney Takes Him Seriously

Post by **Prof** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:45 pm

Having tried cases with pro se's, as judge and counsel, I really think the answer is politeness but firmness.

Politeness because it makes the system look better and lets the TP go away with a better taste in his or her mouth. And, because polite explanations may leave the pro se feeling as if he was part of the process and not excluded.

Firmness, because the court only has so much time. A firm hand on the tiller lets the case slide along fairly quickly. (Otherwise, the judge will get irritated, or the other counsel, and the whole politeness posture vanishes, leaving the pro se feeling he has been railroaded and not understanding what has happened.

(One night, in Austin, a pro se was trying to recover damages under a rental agreement from a debtor who had rented the pro se's house. I lost it when he started in on the "patriot card," asserting that he was a veteran, etc. Barked at him and told him I could wrap myself in the flag as easily as he could. He stayed on the straight path thereafter, and actually recovered some of his damages.)

Doktor Avalanche · Post by **Doktor Avalanche** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:30 pm

The Observer wrote:Maybe, just maybe, this city is the legendary hidden city of Notaxeshereville, USA, the nirvana of TPs everywhere. Right up there with the Fountain of Youth and the golden cities of El Dorado. The stories abound about Notaxeshereville:

I think my car broke down there once on the way to California from Pennsylvania.

Good answers, everybody! I thought you'd all get a giggle out of this and I wasn't dissapointed.

Post by **Duke2Earl** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:43 pm

For my practice it's pretty simple. First, I don't "do" litigation. So it is in the interest of both me and my clients to try to settle the matter before going to court. If it does go to court I hand off to a litigation specialist. Second, life is way too short to represent clients that don't take my advice. And seeing my advice to any tax protester is to wake up and smell the coffee, I doubt many tax protesters would want me to represent them.

Disilloosianed · Post by **Disilloosianed** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:45 pm

You know, occasionally I will see them represented....by their criminal attorneys who are "just trying to tie up loose ends."

Post by **grixit** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:56 pm

Duke2Earl wrote:For my practice it's pretty simple. First, I don't "do" litigation. So it is in the interest of both me and my clients to try to settle the matter before going to court. If it does go to court I hand off to a litigation specialist.

Ah ha! You must be part of the British Accredited Registry, maintaining the distinction between soliciters and barristers.

LDE · Post by **LDE** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 11:41 pm

Somehow everyone has interpreted the "community of over 2 million people" as a city or hometown. I took it as a virtual "community." Of course, there aren't 2 million tax deniers, either, but that's probably what the poster meant.

Post by **grixit** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:00 am

What if you count each tp along with the voices in some of their heads?

Mr. Mephistopheles · Post by **Mr. Mephistopheles** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:46 am

Imalawman wrote:
Doktor Avalanche wrote: Hey Dan: what's it like being a bootlicker and how often does the judge insult your wife and/or threaten to kick you in the nuts?
What pisses me off is that I've never seen a judge act anything other than extremely civil and polite to TPs - even bending over backwards to help them out.

Hey all, I'm new to Quatloos. Doc Avalanche recruited me from Youtube. On the subject of your post, in reading some of the decisions on Dan Evan's website I saw several instances of Judges doing exactly what you said, being very lenient with pro se tp's with their court filings as well as fines for frivilous motions.

Doktor Avalanche · Post by **Doktor Avalanche** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:48 am

Everybody:

I'd like you to meet my good friend Mr. M. He's intelligent, well read, thoughtful and has that lemony fresh smell.

Mr. M, this is everybody.

Welcome to Quatloos, Mr. M! And now, as promised, webhick will pelt you with Peeps thus completing the initiation ceremony.

Mr. Mephistopheles · Post by **Mr. Mephistopheles** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:50 am

Imalawman wrote:...
In the many TP cases that I've tried, I've never had an attorney licensed to practice law represent a TP. But almost every one them said that they tried to obtain licensed counsel.

Wouldn't you think that would make them reconsider? Oh yeah, they're tax protesters. Never mind.

Mr. Mephistopheles · Post by **Mr. Mephistopheles** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:01 am

Doktor Avalanche wrote:Everybody:

I'd like you to meet my good friend Mr. M. He's intelligent, well read, thoughtful and has that lemony fresh smell.

Mr. M, this is everybody.

Welcome to Quatloos, Mr. M! And now, as promised, webhick will pelt you with Peeps thus completing the initiation ceremony.

Thanks for the intro!

mmm Peeps would make a good bedtime snack.

Post by **webhick** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:07 am

Mr. Mephistopheles wrote: Thanks for the intro!

mmm Peeps would make a good bedtime snack.

Woah, there really is a peep gun.

But that's just a prototype. The Illuminati one is much sleeker and can actually blast a peep shaped hole in your average tax protester. And it fits in your pocket.

Mr. Mephistopheles · Post by **Mr. Mephistopheles** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:08 pm

webhick wrote:
Mr. Mephistopheles wrote: Thanks for the intro!

mmm Peeps would make a good bedtime snack.
Woah, there really is a peep gun.

But that's just a prototype. The Illuminati one is much sleeker and can actually blast a peep shaped hole in your average tax protester. And it fits in your pocket.

The real question is where do you get the pyramid shaped Peeps for the Illuminati model?

Imalawman · Post by **Imalawman** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:38 pm

Mr. Mephistopheles wrote:
Imalawman wrote:...
In the many TP cases that I've tried, I've never had an attorney licensed to practice law represent a TP. But almost every one them said that they tried to obtain licensed counsel.
Wouldn't you think that would make them reconsider? Oh yeah, they're tax protesters. Never mind.

One always wonders what the heck they're thinking....

Welcome to quatloos!

Mr. Mephistopheles · Post by **Mr. Mephistopheles** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:51 pm

Imalawman wrote:
One always wonders what the heck they're thinking....

Welcome to quatloos!

From my standpoint as a non-legal professional, they seem blinded by fanaticism and ignorance.

Thanks for the welcome, this looks like a great group of people!

Dr. Caligari · Post by **Dr. Caligari** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:26 pm

Thanks for the welcome, this looks like a great group of people!

Welcome aboard, Mr. M!

Mr. Mephistopheles · Post by **Mr. Mephistopheles** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:43 pm

Dr. Caligari wrote:
Thanks for the welcome, this looks like a great group of people!
Welcome aboard, Mr. M!

Thankee!

Dezcad · Post by **Dezcad** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:08 pm

Mr. Mephistopheles wrote:
Imalawman wrote:
One always wonders what the heck they're thinking....

Welcome to quatloos!
From my standpoint as a non-legal professional, they seem blinded by fanaticism and ignorance.

Thanks for the welcome, this looks like a great group of people!

IMHO, most of it stems from "greed".

Enjoy your time here!

Post by **wserra** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:21 pm

Dezcad wrote:
Mr. Mephistopheles wrote:Thanks for the welcome, this looks like a great group of people!
IMHO, most of it stems from "greed".

I beg your pardon.

Mr. Mephistopheles · Post by **Mr. Mephistopheles** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 6:32 pm

CaptainKickback wrote:
Mr. Mephistopheles wrote:
Dr. Caligari wrote: Welcome aboard, Mr. M!
Thankee!
It's also a house rule, the new person has to buy a round of drinks for everyone.......

I'll have the bartender set up ice water in the Moolah Lounge. Please, help yourself.

Quatloos!

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