Jose announced his plan to get Reno acquitted.

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Jose announced his plan to get Reno acquitted.

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Jury nullification.
From: Reno
Date: Mar 13, 2008 11:43 PM
Subject: It is time....
Body: We must saturate the Internet with truthful information regarding Jury nullification.
The New England area must be especially campaigned.
PLEASE, repost and tell your friends.


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From: Reno
Date: Mar 13, 2008 11:46 PM
Subject: It is time....more
Body: We must saturate the Internet and the New England area with truthful information about Jury Nullification.
Please, PLEASE, repost, tell your friends, and get the information out.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRdse8zBzyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbw8rF_hA9I

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I guess Reno doesn't realize that tainting the jury pool can come back and bite him and Reno in the ass.
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webhick wrote:I guess Reno doesn't realize that tainting the jury pool can come back and bite him and Reno in the ass.
You would think that Jose would have gotten the message not to mess with jury member or say...federal witnesses? Jose is going to self-destruct over Reno's case and its going to be sad to watch. I hope doesn't hurt anyone in the process. Jose might be the only to realize that Reno is going to jail for a long time and is starting to panic.
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I was reading up on jury nullification and found one of my favorite L&O episodes listed on the wiki entry. Does anyone know if the following aired recently?
On the American legal drama Law & Order, which follows criminal trials from the perspective of the police and district attorney, in the eighth season episode "Nullification," the members of a Christian Patriot militia are indicted for murder and armed robbery for their role in the attempted hijacking of an armored car. At trial, the leader of the militia (Denis O'Hare), who represents the group pro se, argues that they are fighting a war against the illegitimate government of the United States, and that therefore the defendants are prisoners of war unlawfully detained in violation of the Geneva Conventions. In his testimony, and later in his closing argument, he explicitly argues in favor of jury nullification in the case as a blow against the "New World Order" and government tyranny. Although the prosecution manages to disqualify and replace two jurors who express sympathy with the militia cause, the trial ends in a hung jury, as one or more jurors agree with the argument in favor of nullification.
If it did, Jose may have gotten the idea from it. There was a gold fringe flag argument in that episode and everything. I hope he didn't. Getting your legal advice from television is not a wise decision.
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If it did, Jose may have gotten the idea from it.
Probably not. Jury nullification is a top ten item on any list of tax denier fantasies.
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Demosthenes wrote:
If it did, Jose may have gotten the idea from it.
Probably not. Jury nullification is a top ten item on any list of tax denier fantasies.
That would likely be the reason they put it into the episode. I really should give the writers more credit. Especially after what they did to Elizabeth Rohm. Made me so happy.
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Great idea....assuming that a group of jurors, who are mostly old people who can't find a way to get out of jury duty, want to nullify the criminal statutes in question. My guess is that most of them would be more than happy to lock up a few more Renos.
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webhick wrote:Getting your legal advice from television is not a wise decision.
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Jury tampering is just the beginning. If he actually manages to get anyone to organize this, he could end up with a RICO obstruction of justice charge.
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Demosthenes wrote:Jury nullification is a top ten item on any list of tax denier fantasies.
My own fantasy is that the jury nullifies the law in a criminal tax case, and imposes the death penalty.
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LPC wrote:
Demosthenes wrote:Jury nullification is a top ten item on any list of tax denier fantasies.
My own fantasy is that the jury nullifies the law in a criminal tax case, and imposes the death penalty.
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He's be better off hiring Denny Crane.
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Reno's witness list.
DEFENDANT’S WITNESS LIST
NOW COMES the defendant, Cirino Gonzalez, by counsel, David H. Bownes, and
respectfully submits the following potential witnesses in the above-captioned matter:
1. Romero Gonzalez
2. Jose Gonzalez
3. Terry Melton
4. Lisa Mullinex
5. Corinna Cooper
6. Michael Hearington
7. Barbara Cummings
8. James Hobbs
9. Lauren Canario
10. James Johnson
11. Randy Weaver
12. Donna VanMeter
13. Nebeil Al-Oboudi
14. Amy Williamson
15. Valerie Wolffe
16. Dave Vonkleist
17. Steve Sherman
18. Shaun Kranish
19. Martha Sullivan
20. Torin Wolf
21. Yahkob Therlow
22. Chris Maher
23. Edward Brown
24. Elaine Brown
25. Keith Champagne
26. Rebecca Dixon
27. Christine Bolduc
28. Todd W. Bille
29. Alison S. Rees
30. Any witnesses identified by the Government.
31. The defendant reserves the right to identify any further witnesses
during the course of the proceedings.
# 14 is the woman Reno's daddy allegedly tried to injure and threaten.
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Demosthenes wrote:# 14 is the woman Reno's daddy allegedly tried to injure and threaten.
Didn't they refer to her as a confidential government informant, as well as a witness? In a warped way, they were not lying. Like if I call you a turnip and turn you into a turnip, then I'm not lying. A little "self-fulfilling prophecy", but whatever.
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Jason Gerhard's witness list.
DEFENDANT JASON GERHARD’S
WITNESS LIST
1. Dean James Frost, Suffolk Community College (SCC), NY
2. Professor Molly Alteizer-Evans, SCC, NY
3. Professor Darren Johnson, SCC, NY
4. Keith Champagne, 105 John Street, Pawtucket, RI 02861
5. Terry Melton, 9807 North FM 620, Suite 20202, Austin TX 78726
6. DUSM Gary Demartino
7. DUSM Michael Allen
8. DUSM Jeff Mertes
9. DUSM Joe Buchanan
10. Any witness identified on any other witness list in this case.
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GOVERNMENT’S AMENDED WITNESS LIST
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Glenn Barbour
Jamie Berry
Todd Bille
Scott Blansfield
John Bolen
Susan Bonnet
Warren Blum
Rebecca Brink
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Where did the idea of Jury nullification come from?
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Where did the idea of Jury nullification come from?
In colonial times, it was the only defense against oppressive British laws; jury nullification was, for example, crucial to the acquittal of John Peter Zenger. Because of cases like that, the doctrine of jury nullification had some appeal to the Founders, and some court decisions from the early history of the U.S. speak of the jury's right to "determine the facts and the law," although it is now a matter of debate to what extent juries were really permitted to do so in practice.

The issue was somewhat unclear in U.S. law until 1895, when the Supreme Court held that the jury has the power of jury nullification, but that the judge does not have to tell the jury they have this power and doesn't have to permit the lawyers to argue it to the jury. That is pretty much where the law stands today.
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From: Jose M.
Date: Mar 17, 2008 10:03 PM
Subject: Judge won't tell them. Jury nullification
Body: The Freedom Three & We can win this.
Please, repost and tell your friends; tell your family; hell tell your enemies!
Especially concentrate in the New England area where the jury pool must know their rights of Jury Nullification!
Cirino "Reno" .....Jason..... & Danny may have no other chance in this kangaroo court.
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GOVERNMENT’S AMENDED WITNESS LIST

Which one is "Dutch"?