Phony native american tribes on the rise again
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Phony native american tribes on the rise again
Judge calls Indian `tribe' bogus, orders it to pay damages
By PAUL FOY Associated Press Writer
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - A federal judge has ordered a $63,000 civil judgment against four people who claim to be chiefs of an American Indian tribe in eastern Utah.
The men, who organized at a fast-food restaurant and say they have hundreds of tribal members, refuse to recognize federal or state laws, have issued their own drivers' licenses and filed countless lawsuits against Utah authorities for ignoring their purported sovereignty.
On Monday, U.S. District Judge Stephen P. Friot ordered the men to stop pretending to be American Indians and pay Uintah County damages. He called their tribe a "complete sham."
The group calls itself the Wampanoag Nation, borrowing from the name of Mashpee Wampanoag Nation, a Massachusetts tribe that greeted the Pilgrims in 1620.
Officials with the federally recognized tribe told The Associated Press the Utah men were obvious impostors.
The tribe, which has strict rules of lineage dating to the 19th century, often deals with phony membership claims, said Gayle Andrews, a spokeswoman for the Mashpee Wampanoag Nation.
"A lot of white people are like, `I'm Wampanoag,'" Andrews said. "But you can't just Google yourself into membership. It's not doable."
Members of the Utah group have challenged traffic stops and other encounters with authorities, filing a host of lawsuits and unenforceable debt judgments against prosecutors, law enforcement officers and judges.
In one of its most audacious claims, the group recorded a $250 million debt against Uintah County Attorney JoAnn Stringham with a state agency.
Uintah County, in turn, filed a counterclaim alleging racketeering and fraud.
Friot ruled that the four men and their organizations owe money to the county for damages caused by excessive litigation.
The group's leader is Dale Stevens, 69, who lives without phone service in an unincorporated part of Uintah County. He claims 13 acres in the county are sovereign. Efforts to reach Stevens were unsuccessful Monday.
"We're concerned about the judgment against the people of our tribe," said Martin Campbell, 56, who claims to be the law enforcement minister for the Wampanoag Nation of Utah.
Campbell maintained he had some Indian blood but said none of the leaders or members ever offered proof of Indian ancestry. The tribe has been unsuccessful in getting federal recognition, he said.
All four men represented themselves at trial and insisted their actions were legal. Friot, a federal judge in Oklahoma, traveled to Utah to hear the case because federal judges here have been sued by Stevens.
By PAUL FOY Associated Press Writer
SALT LAKE CITY (AP) - A federal judge has ordered a $63,000 civil judgment against four people who claim to be chiefs of an American Indian tribe in eastern Utah.
The men, who organized at a fast-food restaurant and say they have hundreds of tribal members, refuse to recognize federal or state laws, have issued their own drivers' licenses and filed countless lawsuits against Utah authorities for ignoring their purported sovereignty.
On Monday, U.S. District Judge Stephen P. Friot ordered the men to stop pretending to be American Indians and pay Uintah County damages. He called their tribe a "complete sham."
The group calls itself the Wampanoag Nation, borrowing from the name of Mashpee Wampanoag Nation, a Massachusetts tribe that greeted the Pilgrims in 1620.
Officials with the federally recognized tribe told The Associated Press the Utah men were obvious impostors.
The tribe, which has strict rules of lineage dating to the 19th century, often deals with phony membership claims, said Gayle Andrews, a spokeswoman for the Mashpee Wampanoag Nation.
"A lot of white people are like, `I'm Wampanoag,'" Andrews said. "But you can't just Google yourself into membership. It's not doable."
Members of the Utah group have challenged traffic stops and other encounters with authorities, filing a host of lawsuits and unenforceable debt judgments against prosecutors, law enforcement officers and judges.
In one of its most audacious claims, the group recorded a $250 million debt against Uintah County Attorney JoAnn Stringham with a state agency.
Uintah County, in turn, filed a counterclaim alleging racketeering and fraud.
Friot ruled that the four men and their organizations owe money to the county for damages caused by excessive litigation.
The group's leader is Dale Stevens, 69, who lives without phone service in an unincorporated part of Uintah County. He claims 13 acres in the county are sovereign. Efforts to reach Stevens were unsuccessful Monday.
"We're concerned about the judgment against the people of our tribe," said Martin Campbell, 56, who claims to be the law enforcement minister for the Wampanoag Nation of Utah.
Campbell maintained he had some Indian blood but said none of the leaders or members ever offered proof of Indian ancestry. The tribe has been unsuccessful in getting federal recognition, he said.
All four men represented themselves at trial and insisted their actions were legal. Friot, a federal judge in Oklahoma, traveled to Utah to hear the case because federal judges here have been sued by Stevens.
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I litigated aginst these guys once, in a federal court in San Diego. The judge was not impressed. (The second judge, that is. The first one recused after they sued him. The second one got sued, too, and he said he wouldn't recuse because they would just keep on suing judges.)
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For those who just have to know, this scam was started at an Arby's.The men, who organized at a fast-food restaurant and say they have hundreds of tribal members,
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Arby's whose buildings once were in the shape of a covered wagon. Oh that is rich!
I've always wondered who eats the Horsey sauce?
I've always wondered who eats the Horsey sauce?
Are you saying that Ron Paul serves as a convenient chew toy to keep stupid puppies occupied so they don't roll in the garbage? -grixit
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Really? I kind of liked the Q sauce.CaptainKickback wrote:My dad and I. Ingested with roast beast, it makes you a damned sexual tyrannosaurus.Evil Squirrel Overlord wrote:I've always wondered who eats the Horsey sauce?
Heck, they had to stop dumping the stuff out on the prarie as it was doing strange things to the rabbits and casuing an explosion in the jackelope population.
Now, the Arby-Q sauce is straight waste motor oil......
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One of the worst wisecracks I ever heard was in an Arby's. I was with my brother and a couple of his friends from college, including a German kid named Jurgen who had never eaten in an Arby's before. He really loved the french fries, of all things, which caused one of the other guys to remark, "What Jurgen likes best about America is that Arby's macht fries."
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[laughing] Boo hiss.Paul wrote:"What Jurgen likes best about America is that Arby's macht fries."
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It's the kind of pun that both (a) makes me feel bad for awfulness of it and (b) makes me feel joy that I understood it.Demosthenes wrote:[laughing] Boo hiss.Paul wrote:"What Jurgen likes best about America is that Arby's macht fries."
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And their leader is ....
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I figured that CKB would catch that one. Doktor Avalanche must be out.
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Nah.CaptainKickback wrote:OY!
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These guys have been several bricks short of a load for years:
http://loansharks.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_archive.html
http://loansharks.blogspot.com/2006_03_01_archive.html
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