Peter Eric (Blowhard) Hendrickson (“ForumAdmin”) at losthorizons has
deleted essentially all prior postings in the thread entitled “Roger Menner Defense Fund” --
including the appeals by his Crackheads for donations to Menner and the statements associating Menner with CtC -- and has replaced the postings with the following.
Hendrickson writes:
This thread originally began with a paste of an email reading:
"From Bill G:
All,
many of you have heard of the
indictment of Roger Menner for several tax crimes: he's a fellow CTC practitioner. He's currently gone thru the arraignment phase and is due for an Oct 20 trial. He needs our support, spiritually, morally, and financially. Whatever other methods he may have used prior to CTC, of which I have no knowledge other than those cited in Pete's newsletter last month,
he reports that his returns of late have indeed been of the CTC variety. Therefore,
any success his prosecution enjoys will be a loss for all of us, and that's the reason we need to come to his aid."
Actually, Roger's "returns of late" HAVE NOT been "of the CtC variety"-- indeed, none of his returns ever have been, as is discussed in detail in the newsletter article on this case in the August 15 Newsletter (see
http://www.losthorizons.com/newsarchive.htm#Menner ). As I observe at the end of that piece, Roger's case is worthy of attention for other reasons, but not that one. Those interested in this subject should read through that discussion.
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(bolding added).
Hendrickson is trying to distance himself from his follower, Roger Menner – apparently fearing that Menner’s possible conviction later this year will induce further doubt among Hendrickson’s followers.
Here are some of the posts in this thread as it appeared
before Hendrickson deleted them.
From user “Submarine Veteran” on 3 Sept 2008:
From Bill G:
All,
many of you have heard of the
indictment of Roger Menner for several tax crimes: he's a fellow CTC practitioner. He's currently gone thru the arraignment phase and is due for an Oct 20 trial. He needs our support, spiritually, morally, and financially. Whatever other methods he may have used prior to CTC, of which I have no knowledge other than those cited in Pete's newsletter last month,
he reports that his returns of late have indeed been of the CTC variety. Therefore, any success his prosecution enjoys will be a loss for all of us, and that's the reason we need to come to his aid.
Please visit his website at
http://www.friendsofrogermenner.com and review the material for yourself. Also,
bring his situation to the attention of other CTC participants,and ask them to do the same. Decide for yourself if his story is compelling; donate if you're able. I'll be sending $50 by way of his website and urge you to do the same. Time is short, so please don't decide to decide later.
END OF BILL'S MESSAGE:
Okay folks - time to ante up. He's got Oscar Stilley on his team and we need to help our fellow warriors with the supplies they'll need for the battle. A number of threads have been discussing how to fix the problem and here is another example of an American who is standing up for the rule of law -
You can help him, and yourself, with a donation to his defense. With a few thousand donations, he'll have enough resources to fight the good fight.
From user “gdude” on 3 Sept 2008:
From user “Submarine Veteran” on 3 September 2008:
Sure did. – We really need to pony up the FRNs here folks. I jujst got a message back from Roger after I made my donation. This is just another solid, liberty-loving American on the road to destruction atthe hands of an immoral executive and judicial system. We need to help this guy till it hurts and we need to make sure that we closely track the happenings and support him with the collective analysis capability of this entire group.
From user “smudge” on 3 September 2008:
I just kicked in my 50. Is this deductible?
From user “hughg” on 3 September 2008:
Wow-interesting. 5 counts of submitting a false return. 5 counts of him submitting evidence under penalties of perjury to the best of his knowledge and belief. I think the gov might have a hard time with this.
From user “Submarine Veteran” on 3 September 2008:
I sure hope so!
I find it amazing that the actual indictment says that "he knowingly" submitted false testimony. I am really interested in the fact evidence they intend to present to support this claim - Oh wait...
This is the IRS.
They don't need any facts to substantiate their actions.
They never lie - They're with the government (maybe?)
Did you make a donation?
I'm going to be asking that question over and over again.
This is a really inexpensive way (if we all contribute a few FRNs) to get things going in the right direction for all Americans.
I made my first contribution and it won't be my last.
I have corresponded with Roger and asked him to keep me advised on how well the money to support his defense is coming in and I will continue to harp about it...
BTW - We can also make a donation to the offensive fund.
All you successful CTC filers - PLEASE MAKE A DONATION TO HELP ROGER!
All you folks who are still not getting justice - MAKE A BIGGER DONATION!
From user “continentalarmy” on 3 September 2008:
I just sent in $200. Come on guys, let's get this guy the funds he needs, we all have a vested interest.
From user “Submarine Veteran” on 3 September 2008:
Thank You ContinentalArmy!
What I see that is not good about this case from the start is the inquiry into the OMB number for the 1040 form being asked in the Bill of Particulars.
At best, that would get him off on a technicality and I believe there are cases already out there that have shown that the OMB number issue is a dead one.
I don't understand why people go off track on this topic (except for the total fear of losing everything that attends efforts like this). The issue is clear:
Either Congress has the right to attach a portion of our heartbeats or they don't.
What I would really have preferred to see for particulars is:
• Identify the activity that I engaged in to acquire federally taxable receipts in an amount sufficient to incur a federal tax liability for the years in question.
• Identify the statute that names that activity as the subject matter of a tax.
• Logically explain how the government applied that statute as an indirect tax on my earnings, in compliance with Article I, § 9, cl. 4, and the Sixteenth Amendment, as interpreted by the Supreme Court in Brushaber.
These are the facts that must be addressed to establish the jurisdiction of the IRS to bring suit against the average American. Absent these facts, jurisdiction is clearly lacking and the government case is ripe for dismissal.
From user “continentalarmy” on 3 September 2008:
It appears to me that many on this forum are not big fans of SEDM. I however am. I don't think his materials take anything at all away from CtC . . . on the contrary, they are in lock step. SEDM's materials just enhance what I've learned from Pete.
SEDM offers a TREMENDOUS amount of facts and information that Roger and his attorney could use in the form of questioning, discovery, etc. SEDM poses the questions in such a way that the lies are laid bare and the prosecution would be speechless. I wish this community were not so splintered and opposed to one another. If we could all get together on this thing, it would be so much more effective.
SV, I agree however that Roger appears to be going down a flimsy path. I don't know Roger. My financial contribution is essentially one for Pete. I don't want to see Roger get convicted, but I don't want to see CtC get convicted either in the IRS' typical way of spinning the truth. The money is in defense of the truth. I hope Stilley is on the ball!
(bolding added).
Looks like Pete is nervous about having his CtC materials being associated with Roger Menner OR with SEDM. Pete also does not want his losthorizons web site to show appeals by CtCers for donations to Roger Menner.
Peter Eric (Blowhard) Hendrickson knows losers when he sees them (except when Pete looks in the mirror).
"My greatest fear is that the audience will beat me to the punch line." -- David Mamet
